2.0 Swap or Turbo 1.6

[AccentMangaGL]

I've been thinking about this for a while now and have decided ask you guys about this. The 1.6 is rated at around 104 or 105hp and the tib beta is rated at 135. Is the difference enough to warrant a swap? Has anyone tested the limits of the 1.6 block? I'm just wondering if its more beneficial to keep the lighter 1.6 and turbo it to higher hp numbers rather then swap in the beta. Seems like for less trouble you could still have quite a fast car with a turbo 1.6, at least as fast as the cost of installing a beta. I'm just curious if anyone out there has tested the limits of the block or what horsepower you guys with turbo setups are laying down and any info or opinions anyone else has on this topic.

[AUTOBOT]

Turbo Beta

Sereously though, if you installed the Beta would you later turbo it or is it a choice between having a n/a Beta or Turbo Alpha?

If you are going to keep going and turbo the Beta later, I would do the beta swap if it is one or the other, I would do the turbo.

[cclngthr]

Originally posted by AccentMangaGL
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I've been thinking about this for a while now and have decided ask you guys about this. The 1.6 is rated at around 104 or 105hp and the tib beta is rated at 135. Is the difference enough to warrant a swap? Has anyone tested the limits of the 1.6 block? I'm just wondering if its more beneficial to keep the lighter 1.6 and turbo it to higher hp numbers rather then swap in the beta. Seems like for less trouble you could still have quite a fast car with a turbo 1.6, at least as fast as the cost of installing a beta. I'm just curious if anyone out there has tested the limits of the block or what horsepower you guys with turbo setups are laying down and any info or opinions anyone else has on this topic.
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You can turbo or supercharge any engine. I prefer to have a blower than a turbo because there is no lag on the power. It also is less stressful on the heads because the pressures vary little. A turbo has little or no boost at idle or slight throttle, but increases a lot under heavy pedal use.

[AccentMangaGL]

Kirk what I mean is, one or the other basically. I mean ok, you could spend the same amount of money swapping in the beta as you would building a turbo kit for it or at least its close. Then assuming your going to turbo the beta, the amount of money used for the turbo kit ontop of the money used for the beta swap could be used to make the internals of the 1.6 better for higher boost. You see what i'm saying? So for the money it will cost for swapping in the beta and getting it tuned, then turboing it, is it MORE worth it to just spend all that money on fixing up internals and boosting the hell out of the 1.6? Especially since there is only about 30hp difference between the motors? I mean yes if you looking for insane boost like 500+hp the beta is definetly probably the best way to go, but most of us will never see that. Plus my second question was has anyone tested the strength of the 1.6 block? How much boost can it handle? How much horsepower can ya push with it? Could it be used as another tuning motor? Now that all accents in the US are 1.6 and hyundai is pushing the 1.6 maybe its possible? So the real question is basically, its beta swap cost vs turbo cost, or beta swap and beta turbo vs alpha turbo and reworked internals for boost? Which is worth it in your guys opinion...for me i'd say the alpha because it seems like you could do more with the money it would cost for the swap instead of doing the swap itself and then turboing. Just incase you were wondering why I didn't include things like the differentials or tranny's that would need to be reworked is simply because either way if you just swap the motor in you can leave the accent close to stock without too much hassle, and both turbo options are gonna require you to change the suspension, differentials etc to accomodate the hp, so I just left that out.

Oh yeah and btw CCL I didn't mean CAN you turbo it, I KNOW you can turbo it or supercharge it, my point was which do you think is more cost efficient?

[Edited by AccentMangaGL on Feb 15, 2003 7:28 PM]

[rubenz]

well also if you live in cali. like me then smog issues become a big hassle. with the turbo YOU WILL NOT PASS EMISSIONS TESTS. with the swapped BETA you can as long as the engine came from a car of the same year or newer and has all it's own emissions equipment in place.
so either a turbo'ed no emissions passing alpha.
or a n/a emissions passsing BETA.

[AccentMangaGL]

Ok barring emissions laws, because at least NH we don't have emissions laws i'm just talking cost wise.

There really isn't much you can do emissions wise, a turbo causes you to fail emissions? damn that sucks...glad I don't have to deal with that

[rubenz]

yeah if it's not CARB approved then it's not emissions legal. california is hardcore like that.:dead::cry::dead::cry:

[cclngthr]

Originally posted by AccentMangaGL
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Kirk what I mean is, one or the other basically. I mean ok, you could spend the same amount of money swapping in the beta as you would building a turbo kit for it or at least its close. Then assuming your going to turbo the beta, the amount of money used for the turbo kit ontop of the money used for the beta swap could be used to make the internals of the 1.6 better for higher boost. You see what i'm saying? So for the money it will cost for swapping in the beta and getting it tuned, then turboing it, is it MORE worth it to just spend all that money on fixing up internals and boosting the hell out of the 1.6? Especially since there is only about 30hp difference between the motors? I mean yes if you looking for insane boost like 500+hp the beta is definetly probably the best way to go, but most of us will never see that. Plus my second question was has anyone tested the strength of the 1.6 block? How much boost can it handle? How much horsepower can ya push with it? Could it be used as another tuning motor? Now that all accents in the US are 1.6 and hyundai is pushing the 1.6 maybe its possible? So the real question is basically, its beta swap cost vs turbo cost, or beta swap and beta turbo vs alpha turbo and reworked internals for boost? Which is worth it in your guys opinion...for me i'd say the alpha because it seems like you could do more with the money it would cost for the swap instead of doing the swap itself and then turboing. Just incase you were wondering why I didn't include things like the differentials or tranny's that would need to be reworked is simply because either way if you just swap the motor in you can leave the accent close to stock without too much hassle, and both turbo options are gonna require you to change the suspension, differentials etc to accomodate the hp, so I just left that out.

Oh yeah and btw CCL I didn't mean CAN you turbo it, I KNOW you can turbo it or supercharge it, my point was which do you think is more cost efficient?

[Edited by AccentMangaGL on Feb 15, 2003 7:28 PM]
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It depends. A blower is about 2 grand. I haven't turboed a car recently (been ten years), but at that time, the turbo was slightly cheaper. However, factor in nantainance, the supercharged engine was slightly cheaper in the long run.

[Big Al]

Originally posted by AccentMangaGL
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I've been thinking about this for a while now and have decided ask you guys about this. The 1.6 is rated at around 104 or 105hp and the tib beta is rated at 135. Is the difference enough to warrant a swap? Has anyone tested the limits of the 1.6 block? I'm just wondering if its more beneficial to keep the lighter 1.6 and turbo it to higher hp numbers rather then swap in the beta. Seems like for less trouble you could still have quite a fast car with a turbo 1.6, at least as fast as the cost of installing a beta. I'm just curious if anyone out there has tested the limits of the block or what horsepower you guys with turbo setups are laying down and any info or opinions anyone else has on this topic.
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I've been thinking about htis myelf and decided that if swap is done right it si better then turbo alpha...why? several reasons
1. accent ranny licks donkey i know it you know it everybody knows it
2. there is sooooo much more turbo equipment for betas like manifolds pipstons and much more.
3. beta swap should cost you less in the long run since tuning returnless Alpha is a bitch... well actually it may not cost more depends if you want the best turbo parts on the markte or not
4. swap is more reliable

[Edited by Big Al on Feb 15, 2003 9:09 PM]

[AccentMangaGL]

How is the swap MORE reliable?