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[NovaResource]

Originally Posted by jacob

I don't know, I see my car stalling on a freeway as a safety issue.

Then you need to learn how to drive. Dealing with a stalled car at highway speeds is not a big deal. I've had it happen a few times and it's very easy to pull over to the shoulder and stop. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be driving.

[Mliven]

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[jacob]

Originally Posted by NovaResource

Then you need to learn how to drive. Dealing with a stalled car at highway speeds is not a big deal. I've had it happen a few times and it's very easy to pull over to the shoulder and stop. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be driving.

So let's say i'm on a four lane highway, in the fast lane all the way over to the left, against the concrete median (which is where I normally travel) and my car stalls. I now have three other lanes of traffic to cross with an average speed of 120 kmph. Regardless of how I drive, I still need to cross three lanes of traffic and need to depend on the skill and cooperation of other drivers on the road to ensure I can even get across. In most cases, as soon as I hit my four-way flashers i'll have people hitting their horns, yelling and trying to pass me which creates a huge bottleneck, and safety hazard, on the highway.

I could be a perfect driver, but stalling on a highway is a huge safety issue because you need to consider the reactions of other drivers.

Don't mistake someone's warning as fear mongering when it's a legitimate safety issue.

[NovaResource]

Originally Posted by jacob

So let's say i'm on a four lane highway, in the fast lane all the way over to the left, against the concrete median (which is where I normally travel)

Keep right except to pass.

Originally Posted by jacob

and my car stalls. I now have three other lanes of traffic to cross with an average speed of 120 kmph. Regardless of how I drive, I still need to cross three lanes of traffic and need to depend on the skill and cooperation of other drivers on the road to ensure I can even get across. In most cases, as soon as I hit my four-way flashers i'll have people hitting their horns, yelling and trying to pass me which creates a huge bottleneck, and safety hazard, on the highway.

When a car stalls it does not stop dead. If you are going as fast as you claim, you should have no problem coasting over. I've done it. Yes, it will piss people off but it happen every day.

Originally Posted by jacob

I could be a perfect driver, but stalling on a highway is a huge safety issue because you need to consider the reactions of other drivers.

Don't mistake someone's warning as fear mongering when it's a legitimate safety issue.

It's NOT a safety issue. It's a warranty issue. He's telling all HD drivers that there is a safety issue when there isn't. A small handfull of cars have reported problems, that's all. His "sky is falling" attitude is causing panic when there needs not be.

[cclngthr]

Originally Posted by jacob

I don't know, I see my car stalling on a freeway as a safety issue.

Exactly. INSTEAD of the engine pushing the wheels, the wheels push the engine. Car slows down very quickly.

Originally Posted by NovaResource

Then you need to learn how to drive. Dealing with a stalled car at highway speeds is not a big deal. I've had it happen a few times and it's very easy to pull over to the shoulder and stop. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be driving.

Technically,when a car stalls out and I'm next to it, I don't HAVE to yield to it. That stalling issue legally is impeding traffic, which is a moving violation as well as a defective equipment charge. The stall causes a car to abruptly slow down and impede the normal traffic flow.

Originally Posted by jacob

So let's say i'm on a four lane highway, in the fast lane all the way over to the left, against the concrete median (which is where I normally travel) and my car stalls. I now have three other lanes of traffic to cross with an average speed of 120 kmph. Regardless of how I drive, I still need to cross three lanes of traffic and need to depend on the skill and cooperation of other drivers on the road to ensure I can even get across. In most cases, as soon as I hit my four-way flashers i'll have people hitting their horns, yelling and trying to pass me which creates a huge bottleneck, and safety hazard, on the highway.

I could be a perfect driver, but stalling on a highway is a huge safety issue because you need to consider the reactions of other drivers.

Don't mistake someone's warning as fear mongering when it's a legitimate safety issue.

Legally, you have to pull over to the right not left.

When a car stalls it does not stop dead. If you are going as fast as you claim, you should have no problem coasting over. I've done it. Yes, it will piss people off but it happen every day.

So you tell me the engine pushes the wheels when it is not running? Not so. It takes up to 2-4 seconds for a driver to disengage the clutch. That time frame is enough to slow a car significantly. Even on the automatic, at freeway speeds the wheels push the engine.

[NovaResource]

Originally Posted by cclngthr

Exactly. INSTEAD of the engine pushing the wheels, the wheels push the engine. Car slows down very quickly.

A stalled car slows down about as quickly as a light application of the brakes. I've explained this to you on 3 different forums and you are still not getting this. You should not be driving or giving out automotive advice.

Originally Posted by cclngthr

Technically,when a car stalls out and I'm next to it, I don't HAVE to yield to it. That stalling issue legally is impeding traffic, which is a moving violation as well as a defective equipment charge. The stall causes a car to abruptly slow down and impede the normal traffic flow.

Wrong again. Stopping in traffic on purpose is illegal and impeding traffic. Stopping in traffic because of a problem is NOT a moving violation. And yes, when you are next to a car in trouble, you do have to yield to it. You always yield to a vehicle in trouble.

Originally Posted by cclngthr

So you tell me the engine pushes the wheels when it is not running? Not so. It takes up to 2-4 seconds for a driver to disengage the clutch. That time frame is enough to slow a car significantly. Even on the automatic, at freeway speeds the wheels push the engine.

Learn how a car works before posting on automotive forums.

First, the majority of cars (and Elantras) in the US are automatics. The torque converter in an automatic will prevent the wheels from trying to turn the engine and all you have to do is step on the clutch with a manual trans. If you can't do that, you suck at driving and shouldn't be behind the wheel.

Have you even push-started a manual trans car? The engine is not moving (ie: stalled), the clutch is disengaged and you push the car. When you get enough speed you pop the clutch and the momentum of the car moving is turning the wheels which is turning the transmission and turning the clutch. When the clutch engages the flywheel it starts to turn the engine and then the engine starts. If a stalled engine locked the drive wheels then you wouldn't be able to do this.

Here's something for you to try if you have an automatic: with the engine off and he car on level ground, put the car in drive and try to push the car. You can because the wheels are not locked. If 1 or 2 guys can still push the car, the momentum of a 2+ ton car will easily do it. If the wheels locked, you wouldn't be able to move the car or drive wheels.

You are yelling "FIRE" in a crowded room. What do you want HD owners to do? Stop driving their cars? That's poor advice. Do you want them to go to theire dealers and request a working pump to be replaced? Hyundai won't do that unless they issue a recall.

Bottom line: if your HD is running fine, don't worry. If you notice stalling, go to your dealer and ask them to replace the pump. Simple, easy and not causing a panic.

[cclngthr]

First, the majority of cars (and Elantras) in the US are automatics. The torque converter in an automatic will prevent the wheels from trying to turn the engine and all you have to do is step on the clutch with a manual trans. If you can't do that, you suck at driving and shouldn't be behind the wheel.

It takes up to 2-4 seconds to put a trans in neutral. It also takes the same amount of time to push in the clutch. Most people drive with both hands on the wheel; and last check of the laws, you should have both hands on the wheel. I have 1 hand on my gas/brake control and the other on the steering knob. In ORDER for meto put a car in neutral, I must transfer one hand to the wheel before releasing the steering knob.

I can also start a car with an automatic by pushing the car (40 mph+). The output shaft does turn the internals fast enough to pressurize the fluid and when the fluid pressure is up, it will make the torque converter turn the engine. At 60-65 mph, the pressure is high enough to start a car in drive. At 40 mph, I can start the engine by dropping the trans in 2nd gear.

Wrong again. Stopping in traffic on purpose is illegal and impeding traffic. Stopping in traffic because of a problem is NOT a moving violation. And yes, when you are next to a car in trouble, you do have to yield to it. You always yield to a vehicle in trouble.

Wrong. Impeding traffic is slowing traffic down by any means that is below the flow of traffic or under the posted limit. Slow drivers impede traffic. Same thing occurs when slower drivers attempt to merge into a faster lane. In a lane of traffic, when changing lanes, drivers must yield to those drivers in the lane they want to move into. Drivers outside of the lane you are in do not have to yield to you. You have to merge into the lane you want to get into by maintaining the speed of the existing traffic flow of that particular lane. If the lane you are in is travelling 50 mph and the lane you need to go into is travelling 60 mph, you must increase your speed before merging into that lane. Disabled cars do have to yield to faster traffic. They can't just merge in front of faster traffic (called failure to yield).

Here's something for you to try if you have an automatic: with the engine off and he car on level ground, put the car in drive and try to push the car. You can because the wheels are not locked. If 1 or 2 guys can still push the car, the momentum of a 2+ ton car will easily do it. If the wheels locked, you wouldn't be able to move the car or drive wheels.

Going fast enough, you can start the engine. I've started a 62 Ranchero with an automatic by going 25 mph. Newer cars require a faster speed to get the pressures up due to the electronics and different design of the line pressure system. At certain speeds, the modern torque converter is electronically locked up which connects the impeller in the torque converter to the input shaft of the transmission. On the XD, this is 35 mph in 3rd and 4th gear.

[NovaResource]

Originally Posted by cclngthr

It takes up to 2-4 seconds to put a trans in neutral. It also takes the same amount of time to push in the clutch.

Maybe for you but not a skilled driver.

Originally Posted by cclngthr

Most people drive with both hands on the wheel; and last check of the laws, you should have both hands on the wheel.

Then I guess it's illegal to drive a manual car unless you can shift with your knee.

Originally Posted by cclngthr

I have 1 hand on my gas/brake control and the other on the steering knob. In ORDER for meto put a car in neutral, I must transfer one hand to the wheel before releasing the steering knob.

What the hell are you talking about? One hand on the gas/brake? You use your feet for the gas and brake. Are you handicapped and use hand controls? That would explain A LOT.

Originally Posted by cclngthr

Wrong. Impeding traffic is slowing traffic down by any means that is below the flow of traffic or under the posted limit. Slow drivers impede traffic.

Yes, if it was for any reason OTHER than someone having trouble with their car. You can not impede traffic on purpose but that does not count when a car is disabled.

Originally Posted by cclngthr

Same thing occurs when slower drivers attempt to merge into a faster lane. In a lane of traffic, when changing lanes, drivers must yield to those drivers in the lane they want to move into. Drivers outside of the lane you are in do not have to yield to you. You have to merge into the lane you want to get into by maintaining the speed of the existing traffic flow of that particular lane. If the lane you are in is travelling 50 mph and the lane you need to go into is travelling 60 mph, you must increase your speed before merging into that lane. Disabled cars do have to yield to faster traffic. They can't just merge in front of faster traffic (called failure to yield).

WRONG!!!! If you see a disabled car you should yield. Only an a$$hole wouldn't yield to a disabled vehicle trying to get out of the way of traffic and to safely on the side of the road.

[cclngthr]

What the hell are you talking about? One hand on the gas/brake? You use your feet for the gas and brake. Are you handicapped and use hand controls? That would explain A LOT.

I have hand controls. Complete remote brake and gas control.

Yes, if it was for any reason OTHER than someone having trouble with their car. You can not impede traffic on purpose but that does not count when a car is disabled.

That driver cannot change lanes until it is safe to do so. They can be cited for a number of things; improper lane travel, improper lane change, and failure to yield. Changing lanes in front of faster moving traffic to pull over (even when being pulled over) cannot be done without regard to safe movement. If a car moving slower than the flow of traffic needs to move to the right, and the traffic on the right is moving faster, the slower moving vehicle cannot move over unless there is enough distance between cars to safely move over and pull over to the shoulder of the road. It is a moving violation to change lanes from one lane and move to a 3rd lane without pausing in the middle lane. If I was on a 8 lane highway and I'm on the 3rd lane (2nd from the left lane) and I need to get to the far right lane, in any circumstance, I cannot move over regardless of speed unless I travel a certain distance in each lane even if my car is not running. That is a improper lane change if that process is not done.

[NovaResource]

Originally Posted by cclngthr

That driver cannot change lanes until it is safe to do so. They can be cited for a number of things; improper lane travel, improper lane change, and failure to yield. Changing lanes in front of faster moving traffic to pull over (even when being pulled over) cannot be done without regard to safe movement. If a car moving slower than the flow of traffic needs to move to the right, and the traffic on the right is moving faster, the slower moving vehicle cannot move over unless there is enough distance between cars to safely move over and pull over to the shoulder of the road. It is a moving violation to change lanes from one lane and move to a 3rd lane without pausing in the middle lane. If I was on a 8 lane highway and I'm on the 3rd lane (2nd from the left lane) and I need to get to the far right lane, in any circumstance, I cannot move over regardless of speed unless I travel a certain distance in each lane even if my car is not running. That is a improper lane change if that process is not done.

That is true if your car is operating properly. In an emergency situation where the car is obviously disabled, traffic should yield to the troubled car.

But since you want to talk laws, let's discuss the law that clearly states that traffic must keep to the right lane and only use the left lane to pass. If you stay right and the car stalls you don't have to cross traffic to get over. And on the chance that the car stalls when trying to pass, the left lane will be clear behind you because like you said:

Originally Posted by cclngthr

In a lane of traffic, when changing lanes, drivers must yield to those drivers in the lane they want to move into. Drivers outside of the lane you are in do not have to yield to you. You have to merge into the lane you want to get into by maintaining the speed of the existing traffic flow of that particular lane. If the lane you are in is travelling 50 mph and the lane you need to go into is travelling 60 mph, you must increase your speed before merging into that lane.

So, since you want to follow the exact letter of the law, stay out of the left lanes. If you keep right and have a problem you will be able to pull over.

Stop giving out automotive advice because you don't know what you are talking about.