Hyundai Forum Hyundai Forum
Go Back   Hyundai Performance Forums - Hyundai Forum > Technical Forums > Hybrid Forum
Register Home Forum Active Topics Gallery Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

       
HyundaiPerformance.com is the premier Hyundai Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads. Please Register - It's Free!

» Site Navigation
» Home
 > FAQ
»
» Related Sites
Google Links

» Wheel & Tire Center

» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
Sponsors

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-15-2003, 03:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Sunrise_Racer_20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: i will eat your brains. i will.
Posts: 313
Gallery: 0
Send a message via AIM to Sunrise_Racer_20
Default You've done your 4G63Ti swap... a guide to making HUGE HP

this is a guide to those of you who have already done your swap....the following parts are essential for your HyunDSM to make unbelievable horsepower.

Intake Pipe and Filter
A performance intake filter will help throttle response and help all future mods achieve maximum performance. A hard intake pipe will also improve air flow over the factory piece.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 2:
Aftermarket Boost Gauge
The stock boost gauge is simply not accurate. To avoid severe engine damage when increasing boost levels, an aftermarket unit is mandatory.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 3:
Boost Controller
In order to raise boost levels, you'll need a boost controller. Whether it be a manual or electronic unit will depend on your budget.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 4:
Cat-back Exhaust System
A 2.5" or 3", high flow exhaust system is needed to gain more power. The factory exhuast is very restrictive and hurts power.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 5:
High Flow Cat/Straight Pipe
Replace the factory catalytic converter with a larger, higher flowing unit. For off road use, simply bolt up a straight pipe in it's place - of course, this is obviously not street legal.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 6:
High Flow Downpipe
The factory downpipe is very restrictive and should be replaced with a larger, better flowing unit. For Stage 1, a 2.5" downpipe will do. If future plans involve 500+ horsepower, consider a 3" downpipe.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 7:
Exhaust Manifold
The exhaust manifold on 1G DSMs are notorious for cracking and leaking. The solution is to replace it with a ported factory 95-99 exhaust manifold. If you're planning on going with a full Garrett turbo, you'll need a special manifold.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 8:
O2 Sensor Housing
The downpipe bolts up to a 90 degree elbow called the O2 Sensor Housing. This is the last restriction in the exhaust system. The stock unit can be ported out, or you can simply buy a better flowing unit.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 9:
Fuel Pump
The stock fuel pump will not be able to supply the needed fuel for long - especially if the boost level is raised. A high flow unit will be needed. It's also a good idea to re-wire the fuel pump for consistent fuel pressure.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 10:
Intercooler Piping
The rubber intercooler piping should be replaced with better flowing solid pipes. Some replacements will come with a larger throttle body elbow (which is needed also). The turbo outlet elbow should be swapped out for a larger unit as well. Please note that if a Stage 2 setup is in the plans, this upgrade may not be necessary as the intercooler piping will likely be routed differently.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 11:
Performance Clutch
With more power on tap, the stock clutch probably won't last that long. It will start to slip, especially in the higher gears. This means it's time for a high performance clutch.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After you do THAT........
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EGT Gauge
In order to begin tuning and/or to avoid severe engine damage, it's necessary to install an EGT (exhaust gas temperature) gauge and probe to monitor the temperature of your engine. Extremely high temps can be catastrophic.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 2:
Logging Software
Before you can safely begin making fuel adjustments, you'll need to know what's going on inside the engine. Logging software will give you this data and will help you decide what fuel delivery changes are needed - this is a critical tool to prevent major engine damage.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 3:
Fuel Controller/Engine Management
In order to control the flow of fuel of the larger injectors, you'll need some form of a fuel management system. This can be achieved by a piggy-back style computer which still uses the factory MAS, or using a stand alone fuel system which replaces the MAS. This will be the key component in your system.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 4:
Fuel Injector Upgrade
To supply the amount of fuel necessary for Stage 2, the stock fuel injectors will need to be replaced with higher flowing units.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 5:
Front Mount Intercooler Kit
The stock side mount intercooler will not be able to cool the amount of air flow needed to produce 400hp or more. Thus, it will need to be swapped out for a Front Mount Intercooler.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 6:
Turbo Upgrade
At this point, the stock 14b turbo is running at it's max. In order to increase boost, a larger turbo is necessary. You'll need something larger than a 16G or 18G in order to achieve power levels above the 375hp mark. A Mitsubishi 20G, a Mitsu-Garrett hybrid, or a full Garrett setup will be needed for higher horsepower levels. Keep in mind however, that any non-Mitsu turbo will require a special exhaust manifold, external wastegate and O2 sensor housing.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Once you've completed these mods, and only then will you have enough knowledge of how these motors handle power to go further. It is possible to get over 600 horsepower out of the 4G63 engine, but it will require some digging into the motor to add some high performance internals. I assume that if you've come this far, there's no need to explain what needs to be done next to achieve more power - you should have done all the research by now. And if you haven't gotten this far yet, you shouldn't be asking

Try to keep in mind that many repairs will need to be made when you start making these power levels due to the simple fact that things tend to break. Plan for it, especially if your car has high mileage.

-SR20
Mitsubishi Technician Extraordinaire

[courtesy of DSMtuner.com

[Edited by Sunrise_Racer_20 on Apr 15, 2003 11:35 AM]www.dsmtuner.com

[Edited by Sunrise_Racer_20 on Apr 17, 2003 8:30 AM]
__________________
how hp a stock support can?
Sunrise_Racer_20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-15-2003, 06:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Turbo Hyundai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Toronto, Non-US
Posts: 370
Gallery: 0
Send a message via AIM to Turbo Hyundai
Default Re: You've done your 4G63Ti swap... a guide to making HUGE HP

Quote:
Originally posted by Sunrise_Racer_20
[body]
this is a guide to those of you who have already done your swap....the following parts are essential for your HyunDSM to make unbelievable horsepower.

Intake Pipe and Filter
A performance intake filter will help throttle response and help all future mods achieve maximum performance. A hard intake pipe will also improve air flow over the factory piece.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 2:
Aftermarket Boost Gauge
The stock boost gauge is simply not accurate. To avoid severe engine damage when increasing boost levels, an aftermarket unit is mandatory.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 3:
Boost Controller
In order to raise boost levels, you'll need a boost controller. Whether it be a manual or electronic unit will depend on your budget.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 4:
Cat-back Exhaust System
A 2.5" or 3", high flow exhaust system is needed to gain more power. The factory exhuast is very restrictive and hurts power.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 5:
High Flow Cat/Straight Pipe
Replace the factory catalytic converter with a larger, higher flowing unit. For off road use, simply bolt up a straight pipe in it's place - of course, this is obviously not street legal.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 6:
High Flow Downpipe
The factory downpipe is very restrictive and should be replaced with a larger, better flowing unit. For Stage 1, a 2.5" downpipe will do. If future plans involve 500+ horsepower, consider a 3" downpipe.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 7:
Exhaust Manifold
The exhaust manifold on 1G DSMs are notorious for cracking and leaking. The solution is to replace it with a ported factory 95-99 exhaust manifold. If you're planning on going with a full Garrett turbo, you'll need a special manifold.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 8:
O2 Sensor Housing
The downpipe bolts up to a 90 degree elbow called the O2 Sensor Housing. This is the last restriction in the exhaust system. The stock unit can be ported out, or you can simply buy a better flowing unit.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 9:
Fuel Pump
The stock fuel pump will not be able to supply the needed fuel for long - especially if the boost level is raised. A high flow unit will be needed. It's also a good idea to re-wire the fuel pump for consistent fuel pressure.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 10:
Intercooler Piping
The rubber intercooler piping should be replaced with better flowing solid pipes. Some replacements will come with a larger throttle body elbow (which is needed also). The turbo outlet elbow should be swapped out for a larger unit as well. Please note that if a Stage 2 setup is in the plans, this upgrade may not be necessary as the intercooler piping will likely be routed differently.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 11:
Performance Clutch
With more power on tap, the stock clutch probably won't last that long. It will start to slip, especially in the higher gears. This means it's time for a high performance clutch.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After you do THAT........
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EGT Gauge
In order to begin tuning and/or to avoid severe engine damage, it's necessary to install an EGT (exhaust gas temperature) gauge and probe to monitor the temperature of your engine. Extremely high temps can be catastrophic.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 2:
Logging Software
Before you can safely begin making fuel adjustments, you'll need to know what's going on inside the engine. Logging software will give you this data and will help you decide what fuel delivery changes are needed - this is a critical tool to prevent major engine damage.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 3:
Fuel Controller/Engine Management
In order to control the flow of fuel of the larger injectors, you'll need some form of a fuel management system. This can be achieved by a piggy-back style computer which still uses the factory MAS, or using a stand alone fuel system which replaces the MAS. This will be the key component in your system.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 4:
Fuel Injector Upgrade
To supply the amount of fuel necessary for Stage 2, the stock fuel injectors will need to be replaced with higher flowing units.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 5:
Front Mount Intercooler Kit
The stock side mount intercooler will not be able to cool the amount of air flow needed to produce 400hp or more. Thus, it will need to be swapped out for a Front Mount Intercooler.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Step 6:
Turbo Upgrade
At this point, the stock 14b turbo is running at it's max. In order to increase boost, a larger turbo is necessary. You'll need something larger than a 16G or 18G in order to achieve power levels above the 375hp mark. A Mitsubishi 20G, a Mitsu-Garrett hybrid, or a full Garrett setup will be needed for higher horsepower levels. Keep in mind however, that any non-Mitsu turbo will require a special exhaust manifold, external wastegate and O2 sensor housing.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Once you've completed these mods, and only then will you have enough knowledge of how these motors handle power to go further. It is possible to get over 600 horsepower out of the 4G63 engine, but it will require some digging into the motor to add some high performance internals. I assume that if you've come this far, there's no need to explain what needs to be done next to achieve more power - you should have done all the research by now. And if you haven't gotten this far yet, you shouldn't be asking

Try to keep in mind that many repairs will need to be made when you start making these power levels due to the simple fact that things tend to break. Plan for it, especially if your car has high mileage.

-SR20
Mitsubishi Technician Extraordinaire

[Edited by Sunrise_Racer_20 on Apr 15, 2003 11:35 AM]
[/body]
Hmmm let me see, i can match or beat most these steps on mine hahaha

Step 1 ,

12" cone with pipe stuck right on my turbo straight, no MAF anything.

Step 2,

30 psi vac and 30 psi boost phantom auto meter i have.

Step 3,

Manula set at 14 psi now and 20 psi summer.

Step 4,

I have a turbo back 3" mandrel bent piping no cat no resornator with a straight through burnt inside brullen muffler

Step 5,

No cat period

Step 6,

3" DP included in the turbo back 3" exhaust system

Step 7,

I have a custom tubular header

Step 8,

02 housing eliminated

Step 9,

Dual in line bocsh pumps, with aeromitive filter, and -8 braided fuel lines, custom fuel rail.

Step 10,

3" upper and 2.5" lower intercooler piping

Step 11,

Act 2600 lbs clutch ,Phantom LSD



I dont have an EGT gauge.

Step 2 .......

My Haltech logs anything for me

Step 3......

fuel controller /engine management is done by a Haltech E6s full stand alone unit.

Step 4.....

720 cc injectors

Step 5.....

I have a 38"x8"x3.5" front mount cooler

Step 6....

Turbo has been upgraded many times, now my car has a big T04 turbo.


On top of this i have a custom sheetmetal intake manifold now as well with 70 mm TB.

Car last year made 335 WHP and 298 torque. That was a smaller t3/t4 turbo also didnt have the header and intake manifold i hve now. Also ran it at 20 psi on street gas 94 octane.

This year im looking at 400 WHP on pump gas 20 psi and race gas 30 psi close to 500
No track times as of yet but soon. Corvette Z06's stand no chance , so i guess its a quick car .


You are right things will break on you. Im lucky to have a fully built bottom end with all the goodies but my clutch disk let go after 60 000 kms of abuse so its not bad. Engine still has 190 psi comp accros evenely so its holding well.


[Edited by Turbo Hyundai on Apr 15, 2003 2:59 PM]
__________________
92 Hyundai Sonata

1G Turbo Talon swap
ROSS 8.5:1pistons
Pauter rods
Haltech stand alone
T04 turbo/38"x8"x3.5 Intercooler 2* PSI boost
http://metalexmotorworx.com/projects/sonata/sonata.html
Want some??
Turbo Hyundai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2003, 04:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
Resident Dsmer..
 
diambo4life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: , MO
Posts: 1,032
Gallery: 0
Default Re: You've done your 4G63Ti swap... a guide to making HUGE HP

That's a good tuning guide but you need to give credit to www.dsmtuners.com
It's theirs..word to word.


:ermm:http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guid...tage1power.php

[Edited by diambo4life on Apr 17, 2003 12:12 AM]
__________________
11.43/126.40
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
--Albert Einstein.
diambo4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2003, 11:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Turbowgn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
Posts: 1,222
Gallery: 0
Send a message via AIM to Turbowgn
Default Re: You've done your 4G63Ti swap... a guide to making HUGE HP

Tight, Someone just got OWNED:dead:aranoid:

Good work there Diambo

[Edited by Hyundai4g63T on Apr 17, 2003 7:45 AM]
__________________
Tim
Turbo Elements
96 Hyundai Elantra Wagon with 445whp/356ft lbs @ 25psi
11.59@125 1/4Mile
Turbowgn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2003, 12:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Sunrise_Racer_20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: i will eat your brains. i will.
Posts: 313
Gallery: 0
Send a message via AIM to Sunrise_Racer_20
Default Re: You've done your 4G63Ti swap... a guide to making HUGE HP

duly noted and corrected.....:duh: sorry, im a dumbass
__________________
how hp a stock support can?
Sunrise_Racer_20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


  Hyundai Performance Forums - Hyundai Forum > Technical Forums > Hybrid Forum



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:58 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0
  • AutoForums.com
  • Truck
  • European
  • Import
  • Domestic
  • Manufacturer

AutoForums.com is the premier network of enthusiast-owned enthusiast-operated automotive communities.
We operate more than 100 automotive forums where our users consult peers for shopping information and advice, and share experiences and opinions as a community.

Visit AutoForums.com today.

For advertising information, please visit our AutoForums.com website and Contact Us, or send an email message to sales@autoforums.com.