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Old 07-25-2003, 02:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Default Re: My LC beta swap diary UPDATED!! (56k warning)

Maybe this is a little devil's advocate action here, but is this swap possible with the 2.4l Santa fe engine?:ermm: Ya know no replacement for displacement?!
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Old 07-25-2003, 04:04 AM   #12 (permalink)
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definetley not worth it. the beta is a much better motor to build on than the 2.4. It is also the easiest swap.
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Old 07-28-2003, 01:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I swapped by myself.

I used an Elantra 2002 engine, using my original 5 speed tranny, I used too a shortened Accent axle, the one on driver's side is 1/2 inch shorter. I used too the original wiring harness from my 2000 Accent. I relocated the wires on the sensors and in the ECM plug.

I use a Stage 1 Accent clutch kit installed on a modified and lightened 2.0L flywheel.

So all engines mounts are original Accent lightly modified mounts except the one on the passenger side that is the original 2.0L mount bolted on the Accent frame.8D
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Old 07-28-2003, 05:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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damn mad gsi... tell us more details!!! sorry to hi-jack...
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Old 07-28-2003, 09:01 PM   #15 (permalink)
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good work but have a couple of ?'s. Why would you shorten the axles if you are using the stock tranny, and do your elantras (canadian) have engine immobilizers? If so what ecm did you use? Maybe I can buy an ecm from canada to use it on mine8D
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Old 07-29-2003, 08:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Ok, I used a shortened axle because I had to lift the tranny with the engine from 1/2 inch to the driver's side. I needed some place to clear the pulleys so I gave myself 1 1/4 inch gap for pulleys. And at starting I missed 1/4 inch to place the engine with the tranny in engine bay. the tranny got place a little bit under the frame on driver's side. Between the frame and the sub frame.
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Old 07-29-2003, 08:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
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It's possible that Elantras have imobilizer systems, but they are not incorporated in the ECM unit. It's appart from the engine management and must probably be controlled by another relay.

I used the modified Accent wiring harness so I did'nt had to keep in mind.
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Well the car is finally done, after all that pain I had to deal with the wiring complications. I am not however driving it as it is getting a few dents fixed. After that Its gonna get a new (stage 3)clutch and a bunch of stuff. So anyways heres the How To that will help anyone who wants to do this swap:

SHOPING LIST: (LC accent)
Beta I engine (00-01 tib, 00 elantra) the beta II motor's ecm is equiped with an engine immobilizer system (smartra) which in few words will not allow your motor to start on an accent. Beta I will be that much easier.

The corresponding ecm, and wiring harness of the donor engine.

You can retain your stock accent axles without any modification

the corresponding tranny (2.0, 1.8)

a line pipe bender (home depot)

Your stock accent motor mounts.

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STEP 1: remove old engine as an entire unit, including the powe steering lines, resevoir, heater hoses, radiator and hoses. (if you cannot do this then stop here)

[b]STEP 2: Prep donor engine to go in, this include replacing any water pumps, belts, timing belts. Intall the alternator (the stock accent one will fit). and assemble it into a complete single unit.

STEP 3: Drop the motor in. It will be a very tight fit so be carefull. Alighn the engine so that it is parralel with the ground and all the mounting points are aligned.

STEP 4 Motor mounts. The front roll stoper can be used from the accent, while using the bracket of the beta. I welded a spacer in to make up for the 1/4 inch gap.



The rear motormount is the stock accent mount, it will bolt up to the beta tranny making it that much easier.


The tranny's top mount is composed of the accent bracket and the accent roll stopper. You will need to redrill a hole in the accent bracket to be able to bolt the mount in.


at this point you should consier measuring the clearence between the slave clutch cylinder, and the mount. As you will find out you need to cut out a chunk of it to mount the cylinder properly. The metal line that runs from your cylinder to the clutch fluid resevoir will have to be re-bent for the new transmission using a pipe bender (home depot). After you bend it reinstall it and continue.

the last motor mount is the one on the actual engine that bolts up to the frame. You have several options. You can have the accent one redone by a shop or by yourself if you have a drill press and all that good ish. Or, you can turn the accent mount upside down, bolt it in back wards on to the frames bracket, and have a custom bracket plate made and welded (easier)
(note: the bracket was not yet welded in at this point to show the layout of the motor mount.)

STEP 5: Now you can go ahead and hook up the shifter cable onto your tranny. These are exacly the same, only if you use the stock accent metal cable clips you will have to grind the edge of it to make room for the starter. Connect the throttle cable, fuel lines, radiator and hoses. You can retain one of the hoses but will have to buy the beta hose so that it will hook up to the bottom of the radiator.


STEP 6: After you have taken care of the above, slide the axles in place. The clips will NOT lock inside the tranny if u use the accent axles, but this should not be a problem because they fit tight and have absolutely no room to slip out.

STEP 7: WIRING :??: If you have the beta I then i recommend you swap the entire harness and ecm out. To do this you will completely need to rewire the new harness to work with the stock accent fuse box and inline connectors associated with the controll harness. Yo will have to rewire the power distribution and several ecm wires (ON/start input, fuel pump relay control, ect ect) I recommend you buy the Electrical Trubleshooting Manual for both the accent and your donor engines car. Everything you need to know is there. I will not post up the exact modifications because that will take forever. If you have any specific questions you can post or email and i will tell you. It is really not as hard as you think, you just need to focus and be do one wire at a time.
To remove the old harness in its entirety you will need to remove the entire dash, and crash pad, as well as the big metal bar that runs the width of your car under the dash. You will have to remove the heater core, to tull it out. This can get reall messy real quick so make sure to remember where everything goes, or write it down.

All that is left to do is put in the modified harness, connect all the inline connectors, mount the new ecm and run the wires out to the engine bay. I recommend you connect all the sensors, the pedals and everything else before you put the dash back in in case you need to trubleshoot the harness for whatever reason.

STEP 8 Final check. Make sure you fill the engine with oil, and the transsmision with SAE 75w/90 gear oil, have everything conected properly, then put the dash back in and enjoy :smoking:

TIPS: There are a few thing you need to know that will be helpful in the procces of the swap.
1. Your stock speedometer is cable driven, whereas the beta one is electronic. Make sure you swap the accent speedo cable motor from your accent tranny to your beta tranny, they WILL fit.

2. You will not be able to retain PS unless you buy the neccesary parts to make the powersteering pump from the beta work with the accent lines and so forth, or custum install the PS pump.

3. If you had a/c, well now you dont


If anyone has any ?'s post and ill try my best to answer them.

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Old 07-30-2003, 12:29 AM   #19 (permalink)
 
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Hey Bizarre!!!!!!
I got a question ok so i bought yesterday a 1.8 elantra engine. I will like to know (cause im going to use my stock tranny) if i can use my stock accent axles with the beta tranny too.?????????
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