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Old 08-27-2002, 08:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default Air Filters

Here's a dumb question for all you Tib/Hyundai tuners: I just bought a plain ol' air filter and was wondering what to do with the air temperature sensor plug that goes into the stock filter cover. Any other info about installation would also be appreciated...Thanks a bunch!
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Old 08-28-2002, 02:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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You need to connect it back into your intake. I have a custom CAI on my Accent. I just dremeled a hole in one of the elbows on my intake...put the rubber gromet from the OEM intake box in the hole & plugged in the ATS.

Hope this helps!8D
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Old 08-28-2002, 11:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Is it a normal air filter that goes into your stock airbox or did you rip the airbox, resonator and tubing out and stick a cone filter at the end of the MAF?
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I just removed the airbox to connect the filter, but I didn't touch anything else. I just don't know what to do with the sensor. Everyone has said to drill a hole, but could I do that to the stock tubing? I don't have a whole intake system.
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Old 08-30-2002, 05:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I've tapped mine into the rubber elbow up top, but I've heard not to do that(?).

I've experienced no(zero, 0, not one) problems from its location yet.
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Old 08-31-2002, 04:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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I have had no problems with my set up! 8D
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I've tapped mine into the rubber elbow up top, but I've heard not to do that(?).

I've experienced no(zero, 0, not one) problems from its location yet.
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Shouldn't be much of a problem, people say the computer likes it better upstream of the MAF for some reason I'm not too clear on. Perhaps they will chime in

The only problem I can think of at the moment is one that I have run in to in non-automotive applications: radiant heat. When a temperature sensor has line-of-sight to a heat source, it can pick up radiant heat from that source even though the flow may be in the opposite direction. In the upper elbow, it does have line of sight to the throttle body and intake manifold, which can head up substancially(since we still don't have phenolic IM spacers available). Any hot metal will give off radiant heat when heated up just a bit.

Now, the impact of this effect varies depending on what type of temp sensor you have and how well it is shielded--I don't know how susceptable our temp sensors are to radiant heat. I don't believe it would be a significant problem though. If anything, it will run you a wee bit more lean--something that usually benefits the tib anyways.
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Old 09-03-2002, 02:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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at idle, sure. But as long as air is moving through the intake setup, this shouldn't be a problem.
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Naw man--radiant heat. Heat by radiation(often called black body radiation), transmitted via infrared instead of kinetic energy. Air is mostly transparent to infrared so the rate of transfer upstream does not really depend on airflow. Like the sun, except not nearly as bright .

But like I said, I'm not sure that it is actually a significant effect.
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Old 09-04-2002, 04:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
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if you're looking to extract every last hp form your top fuel dragster, I'd worry about it.
till then...nah.

That kinda debate reminds me of a debate I read in Muscle and Fitness back in the mid-90's about putting the same brand of weight plates on each side of the bar so you don't have the difference of the air resistance building your body at uneven rates. Bunk.

Still, not to take this too far off topic, I'm not so sure that rediant heat would be an issue, since there is really no one good reflective source to put the heat directly back into the airstream.
Compare this issue to holding a piece of metal(or a pyrometer, if you have one)out of your window when you are driving down a highway and checking the temp of it before and after the air began moving toward it. Think of it as a kind of chill factor for inanimate objects. The heat source will warm it up via radiant heat, but the air around it will cool it back down.
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