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Old 08-07-2005, 11:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ok, i'm currently running front and rear strut tower bars, front and rear sway bars from psc (rear non adjustable), 17 inch wheels with 205/40 R17 tires, and B&G lowering springs that drops it 2 inches. i like the feeling alot, but i need more. i tend to understeer now more than i use to ever. my question is what do i need in order to feel like an AWD car or as close to it as possible on the turns? i want to get my numbers up on the skid pad
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get rid of the front sway bar and go back to stock... that's why you are pushing....
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Exactly what he said. Putting a larger front sway bar on pretty much negated the effects of the rear sway bar. After that I'd say upgrade all your bushings to polyurethane and see how that feels..
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well, seeing as i donthave the stock front bar anymore, i cant change it. but i dont understand. i understand suspension, but it wasnt one of my better classes in tech school when i went. i need it because it reduces body roll alot for me, i needed it to be reduced evenly with the rear. the sway bar bushings are all polyurethane that came with the bars. upgrade more? and if it really matters, the front sway bar is a bit smaller than the rear
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More stiffness on the front of the car will cause understeer on fwd cars. A lot of civic and other fwd autocrossers all disconnect the front sway to get better rotation actually (NOT recommended for street cars).
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well, seeing as i donthave the stock front bar anymore, i cant change it. but i dont understand. i understand suspension, but it wasnt one of my better classes in tech school when i went. i need it because it reduces body roll alot for me, i needed it to be reduced evenly with the rear. the sway bar bushings are all polyurethane that came with the bars. upgrade more? and if it really matters, the front sway bar is a bit smaller than the rear
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You've basically reduced body roll all the way around, but maintained the factory suspension bias to understeer (or even increased it). From the factory FWD cars are designed to understeer, that's why you have a huge sway bar up front compared to the puny little thing out back. It's safer for your average motorist this way.

If you stiffen the rear the bias changes to neutral handling or even slight understeer.
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More stiffness on the front of the car will cause understeer on fwd cars. A lot of civic and other fwd autocrossers all disconnect the front sway to get better rotation actually (NOT recommended for street cars).
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well i'm driving a street car. i need to know what to do in order to handle as if i was on a time attack road course.
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Replace the front sway bar with a stock one but keep the polyurethane bushings. That will stiffen up the front a little bit, but reduce the understeer.
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