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post #1 of 44 Old 03-20-2002, 09:07 AM Thread Starter
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improving performance for low cost

hey everybody, i just wanted to rant about a few topics... seems like things have been calm lately....

if you wanted to get mods that actually WORK for the lowest price, what would you do ?


here is my list..

1. Cone air filter (stock airbox is too restrictive)
cheepest way to do this is getting a regular cone filter and bolting right to the MAF meter i paid $25 for mine.

2. custom cat-back exhaust system with high flow muffler. ( i paid $200 for mine, installed, over the counter cat-backs are a RIPOFF and they might not even bolt-on correctly.., so getting one custom made is just cheeper, and guaranteed to fit)

3. Better gripping tires on the front. (i paid 45 for some futura T rated GLS tires, best performance for the lowest costing tire..)

4. coil over suspension in the rear wheels... ( a complete coil over spring set is $130 from APC, this bolts on to almost any strut, and if you put it out back, it will stiffen the rear end and reduce lost power during the launch by eliminating weight transfer losses)


thats my list.


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Re: improving performance for low cost

sorry man, but I'll have to challenge you on a few points... First off, i stand by my suggestion that 80 shot is too much, I just put this for future tuners that might think of going that big... But regarding your points:

1- <b>CONE FILTERS</b>- The gain from having an open and bigger filter on the MAF is equaled out by the loss from having it collecting hot air from the engine bay...

2- I got nothing against this MOD except for your quote on <b>over the counter cat-backs are a RIPOFF</b>... First of all, I've seen time and time again custom catbacks built, the quality is not the same, the materials are not the same, so can't really challenge all the R&D that has gone into making a cat-back.

3- $45.00 tires gets you just that, a $45.00 tire... you pay what you get... I've never seen a road test on FUTURA tires, so I wouldn't know...

4- First off, a spring change is the same thing if not better, than getting the <b>sleeve style coilovers</b> from APC... The only difference is that you can adjust the height, therefore I would suggest if you're not going for full coilovers than just buy springs, I've heard bad things about those coilovers...

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I would have to agree with Bat Lord on the exhaust. Having a custom cat-back exhaust with a welded on muffler is nice if you can't find the style muffler in a cat-back set-up that you want. Nevertheless, a true cat-back exhaust with ceramic coating such as those produced by Tanabe are far more effective than a custom cat-back exhaust w/o the coating. A reputable manufacture will ensure their CBE (cat-back exhaust) fits properly. And the majority of them do. The truth is...you get what you pay for. If you pay $250 for a rinky dink cat-back exhaust (not talking about a CUSTOM one) then it probably won't give you much HP or torque gains nor will it fit exactly to the cat. Just a thought. A good CBE is ceramic coated to ensure the exhaust flows more efficiently and that the heat is maintained in the exhaust and not lost through the piping. It also will not rust nor stain like stainless steel does when it is touched. If I am wrong, someone correct me but I doubt it. I myself got a custom one only because I wanted an exhaust and I didn't like the CBE's out on the market for my Tib.


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Re: improving performance for low cost

bat lord..

why is an 80 shot too much?

whats the difference bettween an 80 shot and a 75 shot ?

dont forget my system is a WET kit, which imho is MORE reliable than any dry kit out there.




mind you, i did specifically say this thread was based on LOW COST items that provide the most power for the least amount of cash... ...

sure, i could get an extra 2 hp with a 500 dollar cat-back system.. BIG WHOOP!!!!!!


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Re: improving performance for low cost

so, please, why dont you give us some of your ideas about low cost mods instead of beating my ideas down...

give us some of the ideas that are inside of your mind... so that we can share them with others out there who want to modify their cars and not get ripped off...


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Re: improving performance for low cost

Bat Lord, I'm gonna disagree about the cone-filter and one-off cat-back. With just a cone filter and a 2.5" cat-back, my '96 Elantra 1.8L went from 127 flywheel HP to 125 wheel HP. that's about a 15% increase in power.


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Re: improving performance for low cost

First off, i hardly ever get into it, cause then "people" say that I'm just here to promote, but I'll answer your questions:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>so, please, why dont you give us some of your ideas about low cost mods instead of beating my ideas down...

give us some of the ideas that are inside of your mind... so that we can share them with others out there who want to modify their cars and not get ripped off...<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

First off all you need to get rid of that word RIPPED OFF, maybe you've been ripped off before, but that doesn't mean everyone does that... <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0> there are reasons company charge what they do, and when you own and/or run a company you will understand...

and as far as giving you <b>low cost mods instead</b>, well here are my views at this, and this is not a belief I just came up with, I've seen this for the 2 years and a half I've been into HYUNDAI TUNING...

I was like everyone else when I first started listening to everyone, I got an AIR FILTER on the MAF, yes I did, until I learn, that it's only picking up hot air from the engine bay... I wish I hadn't lost that dyno, it ran so close to stock it wasn't worth it, yes it's 30 bux, but what for???... <img src=/images/forums/snitz/disapprove.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

I don't believe in cheap mods, I just don't, I remember the first thing we are taught as tuners is to take off the RESONATOR for free power, well it might give you 1 whp if any, but noone has really dynoed it...

I hate it when we're here telling people do this mod and do that, or go to home depot and for 10 bux you can make this... well how many of those out there (except for Random) have dynoed their HOME DEPOT MOD??? Up to now Random is the only one that has a word on this, he made his own intake, and I give him props for making something that works... he dynoed it, it took away $50-70 of his own money to prove this...

Well i wish everyone did... if you're gonna tell people to buy and Air Filter as a cheap mod that works, than I would love for you to have dyno numbers behind it, if you're gonna say a CUSTOM CAT-BACK for 200 bux is the same as a $500 system, I ask you to please dyno and let us know, cause there are dyno #'s for the $500 systems... and about the TIRES, well all I can say is that if they are of an elantra GLS??? well those are just stock tires that will never compare to HIGH PERFORMANCE tires, you get what you paid for, what's the point of going with stock tires... And last, many here have dealt with APC, many know what's wrong with many of their products, and many have had problems with them, do a search and you will see, remember I've been at this for 2 years, I hate to suggest something that I or someone close or someone trusting to me, haven't tried...

And before you say, backup what I say... I have many many mods in my car, and I have dynoed from stock, to air filter, to CAI, to CAT-BACK to HEADERS, and guess what, it was all my own money (except for the sponsored dyno by Shark Racing), but I have proved what my products do, that's why when someone asks me, does this work, I can back it up...

and you say:
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>sure, i could get an extra 2 hp with a 500 dollar cat-back system.. BIG WHOOP!!!!!!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

well remember we have a 4 cylinder not a V8, and yes, 2 whp is alot of gain from a mod, we will never see a 20whp pick up from 1 mod as others see, and if you believe the <b>15% increases or 30hp from a CAI</b> ads that you see in the mags and on tv then man, I'm sorry to say, you haven't learned our cars yet...


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Re: improving performance for low cost

Ok, true that fordfasterr. I guess I'm just not one to get low cost parts for my car. It's all good bro. I don't really know the low cost alternatives. Peace.


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Re: improving performance for low cost

sup man, i just saw your post I'm sorry:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Bat Lord, I'm gonna disagree about the cone-filter and one-off cat-back. With just a cone filter and a 2.5" cat-back, my '96 Elantra 1.8L went from 127 flywheel HP to 125 wheel HP. that's about a 15% increase in power.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I can tell you there must have been something <b>waaaayyyyyyyyyy</b> wrong with one of those DYNOS that is if you're quoting me dyno numbers and I'd love to see the sheets, there is no way that from 127 fhp you can go to 125whp, I'm sorry no no way... It's more believable that you had 127 whp and then lost to 125whp with those mods... sorry <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>

I don't want people to think I'm challenging them, no I'm here to help, but see like this comment, I'd have to say, there's something wrong, and I would like to analyze what happened, maybe it was done on a different day, did someone else dyno the car, were all the settings the same??? was it adjusted, things like that... I only go to one place to dyno and try and have the same guy do it, all the time...

From rereading your post I will go and also say this much, you went from a stock diameter to a <b>2.5" cat-back by your own words</b>, well from what we've learned from our engines and that's the 2.0L engine, that going bigger than 2.25" you're loosing back-pressure therefore loosing HP, as our engines require a little back pressure, that's why most go with 2.5" until they get supercharged or turbocharged, you should have lost HP not gained it... so then again, I will have to think that you may have lost HP not gained...

and it might have been 127 stock whp and then went to 125 whp, which means a loss of 2whp... I'm sorry this sounds more reasonable to me, with the mods you claim...
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The '96 1.8L is rated at 127 crank HP from the factory. I didn't dyno it stock. The dyno chart with the cat-back and cone filter is in my profile, check it out. Not only did it gain that much, but it's really smooth. The place that did the dyno is called Silverstate Motorsports. He's been in business for a long time, and I've seen hundreds of cars on his dyno (my F-body club goes there almost once per month). His results are repeatable. I didn't dyno the car stock, so I suppose I may have started with a strong car, but the car has over 120,000 miles now, and had 115,000 when I made the run that's in my profile.


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