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Does any one from Korea here, know anyone running a 300+ progressive shot of nitrous on a 2.0ltr Beta. I have forgone the idea of a turbo, theres just too many people running them. I am looking for some information on exhaust porting, port flow in CFM and shape for that quantity of nitrous.


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Edited by - HRD_Tiburon on 02/10/2002 9:00:47 PM
 

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wait....<img src=/images/forums/snitz/oogle.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> clear it up for me

you don't want a turbo and you want nitrous?
if this is true and you ARE sayin that too many people run turbos did u realize that 10 times as those many people run nitrous<img src=/images/forums/snitz/oogle.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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It will probably cost you close to $20,000.00 to build a motor capable of handling a 300 shot. You sure that's what you want to do?


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The cost is going to be considerably LESS to build up an engine for nitrous use... Certainly not $20,000 or anywhere close.

$3000 in engine parts and labor is more than sufficient to take that kind of power. Add in a few grand for all the nitrous equipment, a few hundred for the modified intake manifold, some good tuning (maybe even $1000 if you want to go standalone, but not necessary) and you're done.

You could put together this kit for around $6K I bet.

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Slight downside though...

$40 (Cdn anyway) per bottle <img src=/images/forums/snitz/disapprove.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>
$0 (Cdn anyway) per use of turbo

Thats why I m looking for F/I. One time cost, and no variable needs to be factored in. Even though I will probally end up giving into N2O in the future.


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with a 300 shot of nitrous... omg... even a 100 shot of nitrous.. youre gonna spin those tires easily through 1st and second gear... your tranny will be under some considerable load at that HP level... i say... take it easy, dont build up an engine yet... try out a 75 HP shot on your stock motor and see how you like nitrous... its really fun to use and its safe as long as you do it right.. i have put together lots of usefull information about nitrous at this website http://www.pcrepairworld.com/nitrousworld i suggest that you read it, and think about some of the things that are pointed out there for everyone to know...


regards ! Steve.

having fun with my 70 shot elantra :)
kills so far...

1. AUDI TT.
2. Eclipse 5spd 2.4L
3. Camaro v6 automatic...
4. Infinity J30 v6.

:) hehehe

NITROUS RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Hehehe, maybe nobody noticed the AUTHOR of this post? Perhaps you should look again, I think HRD has enough expertise to pull of such a stunt. 75HP isn't his bag folks, 300HP is tho<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

A progressive direct-port nitrous system will not spin the tires all over the place in 1st gear. The "progressive" part of that is what you're missing -- it doesn't DUMP 300HP worth of nitrous into the engine all at once, it instead ramps up the nitrous dosage from a small amount to a much larger amount as RPM's increase.

He could probably start with a 4 x 25 shot and then ramp up to the full 4 x 75 shot when the engine is past the 5000RPM point.

Direct-port is also considerably safer than a simple dry or simple wet setup -- special nozzles are fitted to EACH intake runner that contain a paired fuel and nitrous soft-plume sprayer.

Unlike a "simple" setup where the nitrous is sprayed into the intake tract before the throttlebody, a direct-port system is incredibly accurate and is actually VERY safe because of this accuracy. You don't have to worry about more nitrous going into certain cylinders (and thus making almost-impossible lean fueling issues) because of wierd flow characteristsics of the stock manifold...

When even my turbo setup is finished (I'm aiming for 400WHP on-boost) I'd still like to toy with a 100HP direct-port progressive system ... Just in case I actually meet someone who can keep up with me on 28 pounds of boost and race gas<img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

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One thing when it comes to geartrains, it not horsepower that kills, it the impact load upon the gear.

The system will be a progressive system, meaning governed by a percentage released. Upon staging the car will be at 4000rpm and the rear line lock on at full throttle. Upon the release of the clutch the line lock will go off and staged control rpm will go full throttle, when the rpm hits what ever I have set it at, the nitrous will engage at what ever percentage I set it and rise to 100 percent. Upon shifting, a micro switch will disengage so that when I hit the clutch to grab second the staging rev control is deactivated. Then the throttle is released, the nitrous goes off and shift into second. the nitrous start at a higher percentage and ramps up again to 100 percent. At every shift the nitrous starts at a higher percentage, because of the rotational inertia is built up in the drivetrain and reduces the stress that the nitrous projects.

As far as 70hp goes, I have run for 7 years with 250+ on my small block S-10 Blazer. I will be running a seperate fuel system with 2 15lb bottles, so pressure drop won't be a factor and will have air/fuel and fuel pressure safety


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Edited by - HRD_Tiburon on 02/11/2002 3:02:13 PM
 

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SWEET ! :) i had a jacobs mastermind controller on my mustang... SWEET LITTLE TOY ! :) hehehe


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HRD,

No one in Korea runs that kind of nitrous. Getting the gas is a pain in the [email protected]@. In fact the gas we refill with is medical nitrous.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> All of the tanks and valves have to be approved by the Korean government (specs, diagrams, test) before they can be filled ... legally.
Almost everyone runs a dry, low power system. There are a couple running wet systems but they haven't got a clue... lots and lots of blown engines and intake manifolds. We don't think that there is a market for a serious power wet system here in Korea... most of the orange boys prefer turbos.

I think that this question might be better directed to the PR boys.

Cheuk


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okay, let me steal the topic a little. how much would it cost to do a set up like this, and what about a smaller amount, to be used on the stock engine, like 20 hp x 4.... maybe even progressive, [email protected], [email protected] [email protected]+

??? safer... still upgrade the fuel pump... but how much harder is the installed, etc.

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About $2500.00 complete for 300+hp. With progressive I can jet it for 350hp and if I want to only run 150hp or 50hp, anything more or in between. As far as the intank fuel pump I will upgrade, I am also going for NA horsepower, I have been talking with a hyundai engine builder over seas about acquiring a used full prepped head, intake and cams. I am running a external fuel pump and tank, so I can run 120 octane Sunoco nitrous fuel. Nitrous will make more torque than a turbo, a big shot of nitrous pulls like a freight train. At times it feels like your going to take off. If given the same horsepower a nitrous car will win.

Back in the 70's people often ran medical grade nitrous, they thought it added a benefit. They soon found out paying twice as much didn't add anything in horsepower.


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hehe, i bet someone made lots of money selling it to them though hehe

anywayzz that's a little much... and then you would need engine upgrades as well, but sounds very interesting.

good luck and let us know how bad you eat peepses hehe


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HRD,

I assume you mean overseas as in Australia. They do headporting by hand here in Korea with expected variable results... also I believe the best Hyundai upgrade cams are from Australia... or copied from Australian grinds.

Medical grade nitrous just means that it had to go through more testing and does not include the "additive" that they put in automative grade nitrous which keeps you from getting high.


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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>When even my turbo setup is finished (I'm aiming for 400WHP on-boost) I'd still like to toy with a 100HP direct-port progressive system ... Just in case I actually meet someone who can keep up with me on 28 pounds of boost and race gas.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

hehe Red. I was just talking to a friend of mine about that before I read the post.

I found a place (through a friend) locally that is gonna do the whole forge pistons and rods for me and the works. They aren't no Endyne but my buddy had built up his Prelude with them and is running 150 shots and no problems at all.

I m gonna give the 2.7L V6 a try over the winter when I store it, and go for a direct-port progressive system up till the turbo is spooled.

As he suggested screw the twin turbo, go for a single turbo and instead of having the second turbo spool up right off the bat, use the N20 to do that. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> I m liking your twos idea. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

(still looking at options though, just an idea that he came up with)


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The additive in nitrous is sulfer dioxide, it a nauceous odor. The effects of inhalation will be nausia, vomiting, headache and potential death inhaled over a period of time. The company is in Europe, that I have been conversing with. They also build and development the Peugeot 206, Evo and Ford rally engines.


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HRD- does this mean you are no longer looking at Supercharging?

300 shot of nawz. Damn... What's the biggest bottle you can get? Definitely need a few...


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just redo the trunk, and remove your back seat. leaving the back window open, you could put in like 8 10 lb bottles hehe

that's enough to kill you and most small city's if you get in a nice accident


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I am still going to work on a supercharger kit, I just have a lot of stuff going, as in having stuff built for my car that i have to clear up before starting that.


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