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I have the same problem you have bad syncros in the trans and you are shifting faster than they can line up you can try alowing the engine speed to slow before hitting third! Sometimes it wil help!

Plan on getting a new trans to really fix the prob though!

You can always have the fluid level checked and try switching to a synthetic fluid!<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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i figured out how to make it stop i put in the clutch and shift to N depress the clutch and blurp the throttle put in the clutch and **** to third {from 4 or 5} and it goes in no problem


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hey man what you just explained is heel toe shifting. Next time when you try it try it when you are slowing down to a stop light and hit the brake with your toe and blip the throttle with your heel and at the same time downshift through the gears. This is a great racing technique used by all drivers that still use a 5 or 6 speed tranny to slow down quick. Try it out, it is akward at first but once you get used to it you won't wear your brakes out as much because your using the engine to slow you down as well. If the heel toeing works to get it into gear better then do what helps.


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IF YOU ARE UNDER WARRANTY GO TO THE DEALER. Thats what the warranty's for.


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heh, what you did there was do the job of the synchros for them by double clutching (whats this heel & toe BS?).

Heel & toe style engine speed matching while braking will help you change up gears (eg 4-3) but it wont help at all for 2-3 shifting. Also, if you are going to try this DONT PRACTISE IN TRAFFIC. You are guaranteed to miss the brake pedal and hit the gas at least once while learning. Ive been doing it for ~8yrs now and I still occasionally stuff up. Very scary.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

You dont need a new tranny, synchros very cheap. Although, it is still fairly expensive to have the tranny pulled apart.


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Good luck with the warranty they all do it. Mine had 10000kms on it and they told me that at the dealer replaced everything internally and it still did the grind, the tranny especially on the accents is garbage. Go with another tranny or aftermarket sycrhos.


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Hey just try to put engine oil in your tranny like 10w30. I don't have this problem anymore. Drain all the tranny fluid and replace it with standard 10w30. Don't use Syntetic oil in hyundai tranny...works pretty bad!!! These tranny needs some frictions to work properly.

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yea, manual trannies don't have 'fluid' to begin with..they have oil. ..but i thought it was usually like 50w90? or some crazy sh!t like that... 10w30?? how does that provide any friction?


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I wonder why you would think that putting ENGINE OIL into a GEARBOX is a good idea.

We're not driving Mini Coopers here are we?

For starters, gear oil is a mineral oil not based on petroleum products like standard engine oil. Also, there are other additives particular to gear boxes which are not present, and finally, the gear oil used by our gearboxes has a viscosity rating 75W/85W.

If you're having problems shifting and want to try changing the gear oil try using something like Castrol VMX80 or a full synthetic gear oil like Castrol Syntrax. Castrol is (or at least was) the OEM supplier for Hyundai and Mitsubishi (Hyundai trannies are based on Mitsubishi designs).

Engine oil isn't a replacement for hypoid gear oil thats for sure.


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Did you try Syntetic oil??? Try it and give me some news.... You will know that hyundai tranny synchro are not working well in syntetic oil. Many speed shop are changing tranny oil for 10w30 engine oil. Honda tranny use engine oil on late model (I know, I had one) Think what ever you want, but many peoples tried it and the grinding problem is resolved!

Just doing my best to help other peoples. I had that problem and now it's over! So I think that might be usefull for those who has the same problem. The only thing is that you may need to change your oil more often...

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Edited by - SilverKit on 02/20/2002 08:03:05 AM
 

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hey thanks for all the help. I am already doing the heel to toe thing ive been practicing it for a while so i am used to it. And who the hell puts tranny fluid in a manual<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>? Word of advice: Know what you are talking about before you give others advice, eH? thanks anyway


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THATS NOT HEEL-TOE SHIFTING DAMNIT!!! <img src=/images/forums/snitz/mad.gif width=16 height=16 border=0> its called 'double-clutching'.. go scroll up the thread and read what was already posted. if u just put it in neutral, blip the throttle, and then put it in a grear, thats double clutching. when u use the brake thruout this process its heel-toe..

sorry but this fvckin pisses me off.. people don't even kno what its called that they do, and then theires **** like the fast & the furious "...not double-clutchin like ya should" and everyone thinks its something u do to dragrace... <img src=/images/forums/snitz/uhh.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

btw heel-toe shifting is TOUGH to do (smoothly).. im just starting to try and learn to do it...


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Edited by - blackdevil on 02/20/2002 2:11:34 PM
 

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heyas,

I had the same problem, its caused by a slightly bent bracket that holds 3rd gear inside your tranny.

Not a big problem, costs abour 380 CAD$ plus parts to fix on average. check with your Dealer.

Its a common problem, as my Second transmission now has the same problem after 25000 miles on the new tranny.

I think its time for a repairs list for my car. Just to let you all know what driving the hell outa a hyundai will do. My Nissan 300zx never had problems like these.

1997 Accent GT
1.5 L DOHC -Currently Blown-requires head rework(valve and spring replacement, port and polish, and camshafts) and new timing belt.
New Transmission Installed, already needs work-2nd and 3rd gear grinding when shifted into.
New clutch, master and slave cylinders, and piping. Fluids are showing wear, and are dirty. Sign of rebuild required.
Suspension currently shot, needs all new springs, shocks and strut bar mounts for lower bars, and new upper strut bars.
requires new fuel system, pump and filter specifically.

my current Beast has 4 wheels, a diesel engine, and about 18 other people riding with me. :(
I need a new car. (sighs)
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Hey all, new here. I got a 99 accent gs. 1.5sohc. Had the Hyundai dealer replace 3rd gear and synchros, clutch slave, reservoir, pretty much everything but the actual clutch itself. But I feel that going too. Thinking about buying a new one from HVE.
 

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OK for all you know it all"s check your F ing shop manuals and see what kind of fluid goes in!
Gear oil was used along time ago in heavy cars in the 60's and 70's the tecnology was not good like it is now!

cars are lighter and the tolerences on the bearings and gears in your transmissions are tighter than those older cars!
You have to use thinner fluid so that it will be able to lubricate everything in the trans!

TRUST me I had to use Automatic fluid in my 5liter mustang!

Check your owner manual I do belive that you will read DEXRON II auotmatic trans fluid!!

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THATS NOT HEEL-TOE SHIFTING DAMNIT!!! <img src=/images/forums/snitz/mad.gif width=16 height=16 border=0> its called 'double-clutching'.. go scroll up the thread and read what was already posted. if u just put it in neutral, blip the throttle, and then put it in a grear, thats double clutching. when u use the brake thruout this process its heel-toe..

sorry but this fvckin pisses me off.. people don't even kno what its called that they do, and then theires **** like the fast & the furious "...not double-clutchin like ya should" and everyone thinks its something u do to dragrace... <img src=/images/forums/snitz/uhh.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

btw heel-toe shifting is TOUGH to do (smoothly).. im just starting to try and learn to do it...


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Edited by - blackdevil on 02/20/2002 2:11:34 PM
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You all seem have wires crossed.
I agree that if you put you foot on the clutch, put into nutral, take foot off clutch, put foot back on clutch, put into gear, take foot off clutch this is double-clutching.
Heal-toe is to do with balancing all three pedals in a manual car while braking.
This alows the driver to brake, keep engine revs up, change down gears, and then speed back up.
You can however use this heal-toe technique for double-clutching and this is where you both are confused.
It is lick double clutching but you put your toe on the clutch pedal and rest your heal on the accellerator. your other foot is solely the brake.(but not always soley - this is something different so i wont go into it)
Now when you change gear up or down you press the clutch in with your toes while keeping your revs up with your heal(heal-toe. Really good for keeping your revs and also boost up)
you don't have to put into nutral take off clutch put clutch back on and put into gear, you can just heal toe the clutch-accelerator pedals blip throttle in mid gear change and put into next gear.

pretty simple.


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hahaha, so then ur other foot is free to move the shifter lever then, correct? <img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0> god gave us two feet for a reason.

oh, and u people who heel-toe buy putting ur heel on the gas and ur toe on the brake? wtf is that.. twisting ur foot around in an un-natural possition... frankly i put the arch/ball of my foot on the brake and tap the gas with my toes. ive got size 11's.. if i do it the other way..well i can't even turn my foot the other way! thats just nuts.

and the guy who said he put auto fluid in his 5.0 mustang..i hope it was an automatic transmission u put it in! why would u ever put that in a manual. and the guy saying "don't use synthetics, u need some friction" ..i garuntee i have a hell of a lot more friction with my synthetic 75w-90 than u do with ur mineral 10w-30.

please explain why a car would come from the factory with the wrong type and rating of oil in the tranny. please people... really <img src=/images/forums/snitz/oogle.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

"mineral oil not based on petroleum products like standard engine oil." -all non-synthetic oil is mineral oil. tranny oil, engine oil..if its not synth its mineral.


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