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Be it the sporty looks or the thought that a Hyundai may be an easy kill something just makes people want to race me. I have had a good amount of races in the short amount of time that I had my Tiburon many of them in a straight line from light to light, nothing fancy, some wins some loses, but nothing to write about... Until now. I have not had a good thrill like this in a very long time, I have always been a muscle car fan, which in turn gave me the corn boy mentality... Go as fast as you can in a straight line in as little time as possible. And as a boy racer with big toys (2 Corvettes and a 3000GT) that always satisfied my speed urges, but I have grown board of the 1/4 mile TF&TF runs but never thought that a good back country road would be any different than any other race, boy was I wrong. I was on my way to work and I always take the back roads they seem to be more direct and there is barley ever traffic (Note I work 3rd shift so I'm on the road in the wee hours of the morning) once you get about 5 miles in. So I'm stuck behind a truck when I first get on this back road and he is going 15mph under the speed limit. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/guns.gif width=33 height=16 border=0> And then I see it flying up in my rear view... I'd know the head lights anywhere... <img src=/images/forums/snitz/evil.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> an Integra! He is riding so close I can no longer see his head lights. Then the truck turns... No traffic for miles, ITS ON! <img src=/images/forums/snitz/guns.gif width=33 height=16 border=0> I drop to 2nd and take off, the Integra is easily staying right behind me be he is not going to pass, the road is very narrow and a 30mph somewhat tight turn is coming up so I'm safe for now but I'm sure he will stay right with me around this turn since he has a much more aggressive stance than myself and should out handle me. The turn comes up very quickly right before the turn I heal-toe down to second my RPMs jump up but the car does not lurch forward Ahhhh much smoother than I expected I have not had much time or many places to practice this technique so I was overjoyed when it worked out well. My right then flies off the brake and hovers over the fun pedal and my left foot comes off the clutch and over to the brake. Finally I turn in to the apex I give the throttle about 15%... Opps bad move something is wrong I know that feeling is under steer I'm going to loose my line! <img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> I lightly push down on the brake while still on the throttle its open about 20+% now coming close to the apex but I'm going to miss it, but funny thing happens I don't miss it my tail starts to swing out a bit... Ohhhh I loved the feeling I missed the feeling of over steer so much. I balance the car through the turn with my brake for over%20steer and my gas for under steer. Exiting the apex my foot is off the break at this point I hit the throttle 50% the car tail rights itself and Im in line for the perfect out corner. I glance in the rear view and see the Integra under steer greatly and loose the line! <img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0> out of the corner back to 100% throttle and he is 2 car lengths behind. Wow! Did I just do that? Straight-away again he starts to close the gap I can see the power of his car. He's on me again and wants to pass but a 25mph 90 degree turn to the left comes up I see no cars coming some I make the same moves while he hesitates to go into the apex. I come out of the apex the same as before and he does a more wild under steer than before. 3 car lengths I can't believe this! Once again he starts to close the gap but the turns are coming and he can't keep up in the corners. This is Awesome! The race goes on until the exit onto the main road where we part are ways. I bet he's proud of his car and how fast it is, but he never passed me. This was not a race of power it was a race between drivers and since he never took the time to practice his driving techniques a car that should have out handled me... well it just got handled. I bet he is like how the hell did a Hyundai show me up. Skill baby...Skill. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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Whoo Hooo! Good story. It does pay to do your homework. It's good to hang with tough competition even if
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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>All the power in the world is nothing if you dont know how to use it and how not to...if you see this chap with the Integra again please give him a message for me?

"Seeing you in action is a joke"...

Thanks dude!


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"corn-boy" lol I like that one! Anyways, sounds like you had a great time, very cool story I liked it, props to your for handling your car like you did <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>
Unfortunatley, TF&TF has gotten all these ricerz with their Civic's and Teg's in an uproar swearing up and down that they can drive.. but whatever. I wish I had me some nice country backroads to attatck like that, props again for the fun run <img src=/images/forums/snitz/wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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swweettt.. if i went into a corner with my roadgrabbin13's as fast as an integra with a good driver i would be in a ditch<img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0>


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Reminds me of when I was playing cat and mouse with a late model Camaro. It was a sweet car. I passed it as it was doing the speed limit on a 80 kph twisty curvy highway up north in the Muskokas. Before I knew it he was on my tail so I pushed the car past 180 kph and he was right there on my bumper. I enjoyed my new strut braces as I took each corner as fast as I could go without causing oversteer (keep in mind we were doing about 150 kph through the corners). Each time we went into a corner I edged away from him due to his car's weight. But as soon as we got on a straight the musscle came through for him. He eventually made a very risky pass coming into a corner without being able to see what was coming the other way. For about 15 minutes I continued to tangle with the Camaro untill we got into town (Huntsville). The road split into 2 laned and I pulled up beside him. We exchanged thumbs up and we were on our way. I must admit... What I did was pretty stupid with the morning traffic as it was... But the adrenaline rush is what it is all about for me. Getting recognition from a true North American musscle car owner is quite refreshing.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>

Props to you for the way you handled your car. Being able to heel toe and enduce enough drift in a corner to take it properly is something someone has to practice a lot to master. You sound to me like you don't do this much so it shows there is a fair bit of talent there.

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oh man.... great write up...

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Nice post.. wanna race.. muhaaa.... <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> Thanks for all the positive posts. Just a few days ago I was at my friends house and told him about the race with the Integra and he quickly reminded me of his personal belief about FWD cars. "FWD cars can't swing the tail out without using the parking break." He always says "Not like a RWD car like my 240sx." <img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/evil.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/mad.gif width=16 height=16 border=0> "Is that so?" I said to him. And off we went to an abandoned Target parking lot. Okay I have him watch my hands. No car, and no cops. LETS DO THIS! <img src=/images/forums/snitz/guns.gif width=33 height=16 border=0> I get some speed up start my turn and begin using the left-foot breaking technique that worked so well in the back county roads. Here comes the over steer... Any time now... Really come on do it! <img src=/images/forums/snitz/disapprove.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> Sadly it never comes. We leave the parking lot and he smugly doesn't even give me an I told you so. WHAT HAPPENED? I was going the same speed and taking the same turn angle and all I could muster was a very easy to handle neutral steer. I suddenly hit a small bump in the road and realize what went wrong. The back country roads are nice, new, flat, slick black top and it was night out, plus I had just started out for work and my tires were cold. The parking lot was rough black top and it was hot out and my tiers were hot too. I turn the car around. Back to the parking lot. I try it one more time the way I did it before that night I was on the back roads... No dice. My friend looks at my and smiles. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/evil.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> He has no idea what he is in for. I get a good look at the light posts in the lot and go one more time but this time I push it... HARD. Making the turn I can feel the car is going to over steer and I begin Left-foot braking out comes the tail way out and I begin to counter steer through the light post ahead and hold the tail out until I see small planted tree coming up on the passenger side. I pound the throttle and let go of the break and put the car back on track and go around the tree. I look over at my friend who is wide eyed and hanging on white knuckled to the "OH $#!+!" handle, and say sarcastically "I know you don't consider @$$ dragging a drift but it sure feels like one doesn't it?" Shakily he replies "Yes... Yes it does." Do you think I got my point across? <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>Ppl who say a FWD car cant drift are in for a rude surprise...if I can get this crappy elantra going sideways there shouldnt be a problem, should there?Oh btw with the grippy surface you're gonna have to brake a little more and pop the clutch a little more quickly than with a low-temperature scenario, together with turning in a little later and a whole lot faster. This game's about knowing how your car will handle under different conditions, and when you learn this man you're gonna be unstoppable in your hometown! Oh I came to a concensus last night, time's here to scrap my Elantra, and I decided against the Tuscani.I'll be going for the newer S15 Silvia and it's RWD platform. Doesnt mean I dont like hyundais anymore though, cuz I still do!


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You are forgetting about the weight transfer of the car. Even rally cars have to be aware of this.

If you are going to attempt a right hand drift you should steer left very briefly to shift the weight to the right hand side of the car, then when you make your turn to the right the weight of the car will quickly change to the left hand side. This will cause the rear end to swing out. <b>PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU TRY THIS!!!</b> Because if you over-do it... Kiss your ass goodbye.

Another possibility for you being able to drift so well in that back road corner is that there may have ben a slight bit of dirt on the road to get you started in the drift. Once it is started you can keep it going with the right amount of throttle input.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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Mechanix you are right on target. Its very obvious that surface conditions, location, and weather will effect the way a car performs. But like I was saying before I was a big straight away racer and although these conditions effect the car some what it was nothing like the way it affects a good back road romp. I was not prepared for the drastic differences at first and that was a bit confusing, but now I know. And the technique you speak of: Braking harder, turning later and faster and getting the rpm's up for the turn were all used to make my second try a complete success. And the Silvia is a great choice for you it seems like drifting is a great interest for you. you might as well go for a car that is a proven drifting machine.
Cottonmouth thanks for the info your right the it is all about weight transference, especially for FWD. In the race will the Integra the quick flick to the left was not needed though it would have been an over kill on this road and I would have lost the line on the apex or worse at the speed spun the car. Yet I did use it in the parking lot on my second try and it helped break the rear wheels away. I started realizing the true benefit of this technique when doing low speed 180 degree e-break turns. And the dirt on the road thing it can be a contributing factor but not a large one in my case with the Integra. For a back road it is very clear of dirt and debris. Although the surface was very slick so even dirt that can't be seen by the naked eye could have very well chipped in to help out the drift.


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>Thanks for the vote of confidence 2K, but drifting is only part of what I'm interested in...my goal in driving is to become a "complete" driver, that is, to became familiar with and competant in all driving techniques, or realistically as many as possible. What car I'm having doesnt really matter(and after checking my back balance, pathetic as it is I'll have to wait a lot longer till i can scratch together the downpayment for the S15...the rules changed a while back, and now I gotta front up a third of the price!)So in about 2 weeks I'm gonna be left without a ride, and since I only got an itsy bitsy fraction of what other ppl my age have in their banks, I think I'll have to downgrade...here's hoping there's a couple of old Ae86 Corollas left, cuz at current market prices of 11K a piece I'm still gonna be outstripped!lol..hmmm, 3S-GTE powered Corolla anyone?


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The AE86 is a great car but its a little out dated for me not that it takes away for its ability to keep up with todays cars. I'm in the same boat you are though, as much as I love my Tiburon its got to go soon. I have my mind set on a WRX. Problem is I still have a bit over 3 years left to pay on my Tib and no money saved up. I'm hopeing the dealer will pay off my loan for me but I don't think they will go for it if I don't have 2k to 4k to put down on the car. All my friend just tell me to turbo charge my Tiburon... its not that I don't want to do that it more like I can't do that. I have a problem with spending its just the way I was raised, you know the "you can't take the money with you" mentality. So unless I have set payments I wont save the money. Thats another reason way I can't buy a used car, if it breaks down and has no warrenty I have no money to pay for the repairs because I spent it hooking the car up. Ahhhh! What to do... What to do?


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>I'm setting my sights on the Ae86 because it's the only car I can afford the downpayment on at the moment, dont really matter if it's outdated. There have been instances in Japan(NOT IN INITIAL-D THATS A CARTOON LOL)! where Ae86 have won out against later model automobiles(see www.club4ag.com and check out the wet track race between the TRD Ae86 and the Altezza)I thought it was a slow car too until I got my ass kicked by one a couple weeks ago...I'd love to be able to have an S15 but it's waaaay out of my budget, and tuning it is even more expensive! lol so this is what I'm stuck with...Ae86 or taking the bus!lol


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I totally understand why you would like the AE86 the car is awesome for the money you would have to be blind not to see that, what I meant by out dated is the cars options and styling are out dated but that is my opinion. But performance wise that car can be a screamer with the right driver at the wheel. It is a real giant killer, kind of like the Rams Vs. the Pats in the super bowl or even dare I say it My Tiburon Vs. a GS-R. Go for the AE86 the under dogs have been wining a lot lately might as well rack up another win Huh? <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>Well I would like to have a couple more kills...especially Honda Civic drivers who think they're da bomb. Saw a EK9 do a crazy sprint today, pretty damn fast for a Civic! Well, I'll let you know how that turns out...I think I got one last go left in this Elantra...and I have every intention of sending it to its end with one final win!After which the damn ricers will be screaming bloody murder...because if my information is correct, this old piece of scrap has some pretty scary potential!


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