chipped2003 Tiburon vs chipped2002 VW GTI 1.8turbo

dualceleron · Aug 28, 2001

<table border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0>
<tr>
<td valign=top> </td>
<td valign=top>2003 Tiburon FX</td>
<td valign=top>2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8T</td>
</tr>
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<td valign=top>HP</td>
<td valign=top>180 ~200</td>
<td valign=top>215 dyno?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign=top>Torque</td>
<td valign=top>~180</td>
<td valign=top>250 dyno?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign=top>Steering Wheel</td>
<td valign=top>Tilt not confirmed</td>
<td valign=top>Tilt AND Telescoping</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign=top>Traction Control</td>
<td valign=top>None TCS</td>
<td valign=top>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign=top>Manual Transmission</td>
<td valign=top>6-speed Porsche designed</td>
<td valign=top>5-speed</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign=top>Limited Slip Differential</td>
<>None unconfirmed</td>
<td>None</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Driveline</td>
<td>FWD</td>
<td>FWD</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Short-shift Clutch </td>
<td></td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Handling Suspension</td>
<td>Double wishbone/Multi-link</td>
<td>Excellent MacPherson/Multi-link</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Crash Rating</td>
<td>probably 5 star, like most Hyundais</td>
<td>Excellent 5 star </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Airbags</td>
<td>Dual Front and Dual Side</td>
<td>Dual Front and Dual Side and Dual Side Curtains</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Doors </td>
<td>2</td>
<td>2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Fog lamps</td>
<td>Yes</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<tdPower Sunroof</td>
<td>Yes</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>ABS</td>
<td>Yes</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Tires</td>
<td>17 alloy</td>
<td>17 alloy</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Heated windshield washer nozzles who here honestly cares?</td>
<td></td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Immobilizer car will not start without key in it</td>
<td>yes</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Electric rear window defogger</td>
<td>Yes, along with every other car since 1980
</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Automatic locking</td>
<td></td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Stereo System</td>
<td>Plays MP3sconfirmed?</td>
<td>Monsoon</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Seats</td>
<td>racing inspired</td>
<td>Sports seats with lumbar support, fully reclining, height adjustable, adjustable front and rear head restraints</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Heated Seats</td>
<td>No 2000 Tib does, I'm sure this will</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>60/40 split rear seats</td>
<td>Yes</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Leather Multifunction Steering Wheel</td>
<td>No Yes</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Upholstery</td>
<td>Leather</td>
<td>Leather</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Power Everything (except seats)</td>
<td>Yes Probably power seats too</td>
<td>Yes</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Warranty (years)</</td>
<td>5/10</td>
<td>4/4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>0-60</td>
<td>< 7 seconds</td>
<td>6.2s timeslip?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>1/4 mile time</td>
<td>low 15s</td>
<td>14.5s timeslip?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Curb Weight</td>
<td>same as current Tib</td>
<td>2860lbs</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Trunk Volume</td>
<td> </td>
<td>18cu ft with rear seats NOT folded</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Exterior Styling (personal opinion)</td>
<td>You decide </td>
<td>You decide </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Interior Styling (personal opinion)</td>
<td>UGLY Sporty, beautiful in person</td>
<td>Excellent (Audi like)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Combined mpg</td>
<td> </td>
<td>28</td>
</tr>
</table>

Price: Around $20,500 configured as above (including chip) for GTI from dealer
Tiburon price = ??? expect starting ~17,500 for FX, around $20,000 loaded
(dunno how much perfomance a chip would give tiburon. but as a natural aspirated car... probably 5-10hp max)

Tiburon:
<img src="http://members.tripod.co.uk/Xorro/ukhcs/pix/2001g.jpg" border=0>

GTI:
<img src="http://www.canadiandriver.com/roadtest/images/02gti_int.jpg" border=0>

Hyundai's reputation and resale value: SH*T improving rapidly

As seen above, the only way that the tiburon can save itself is price. If priced right, tiburon might be a good deal!

[HTML and correct facts added by 4doorGL]

JGraham9382 · Aug 28, 2001

Looks like that review was kind of biased...considering the fact that they obviously didn't do their research on the 2003 Tib...and also mentioning that I haven't even heard of a chip for the 2003. How do they know that there is a chip for it? What's with all of the question marks for the tib? How can you compare when you don't even have half of the specs? Screw that ****... <img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

JGraham9382
2001 Alpine White Tiburon

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4doorGL · Aug 28, 2001

Well, considering chipping a Tib won't do sh*t, the 1.8T would win. There's nowhere near enough info on the GK yet to be doing this kind of a comparison.

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JGraham9382 · Aug 28, 2001

That's the point that I was trying to make...that was extremely ridiculous...

JGraham9382
2001 Alpine White Tiburon

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http://www.wtfisup.com/tiburon/
Sign my damn guestbook...hehe

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cougart · Aug 28, 2001

who is this guy? Why is he posting on a hyundai forum if he has nothing to do but rip on hyundai, I thought the purpose of this board was for hyundai's to get together talk about their cars, trade stories, and have a good time. WTF is this guy trying

2001 Tiburon
Black with Blacked out windows
Alpine cd player
More mods to come slowly

dualceleron · Aug 28, 2001

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who is this guy? Why is he posting on a hyundai forum if he has nothing to do but rip on hyundai, I thought the purpose of this board was for hyundai's to get together talk about their cars, trade stories, and have a good time. WTF is this guy trying
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The point of this post is:
if you are going to get a new car around $20,000, is 2003 tiburon a good deal? No bashing is intended. If it get outdueled by other cars, tiburon should lower its price, so those who wants to buy it can get a good deal.

4doorGL · Aug 28, 2001

But what we're trying to say is the only definitive answer we have about GK right now is:

A) it will have a 2.7L V6
B) it will have a 6-speed tranny
C) we know what it looks like
D) I know what it sounds like <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Other than that, we don't know anything about it. Also, you're comparing a chipped 1.8T (which basically raises the boost and adjusts fuel mapping) and a chipped N/A Tib, which the chipping will do absoluetly nothing.

Wait till it releases, then we can do a fair comparison.

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0 to 60 in 11 seconds (look out!)

jrh382 · Aug 28, 2001

I like both cars. I actually was considering a VW. I will give VW props for the well laid out interior. It has that advantage over the Tiburon. In terms of looks...That is in the eye of the beholder. I like the look of both cars. It depends if you want a hatchback or coupe. Also, GTIs are very expensive. Over here in NJ, they are selling over MSRP because the demand is high on them. If it comes to price, I am positive you can get the Tiburon at a better deal.

I eat Honda Civics for breakfast, Toyota Corollas for lunch, and Volkswagen Jettas for dinner

Rudy · Aug 28, 2001

what they are saying is the damn car isn't even out yet, therefore how can you compare it to anything? and there is no final price yet so your review is ubsurd and retarded. if i could lock this post i would. <img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

I drive a bumble bee

MySilverTiburon · Aug 28, 2001

VW has ECU upgrade from the FACTORY??? if it is, it wouldn't be a too much of a gain. my friendS have Jettas with UPSOLUTE chip in it, gains approx 50hp and 1 sec off 0~60. but the stock clutch can't hold that power. So i doubt it will be as fast(VW probably won't change the clutch) and believe me, that thing is FAST!
It's comparably priced. If it was me, i would go with hyundai and start hooking it up. I have yet to see a VW with good body kit or any kind of aftermarket stuffs. well some aftermarket stuff but not as much...

With tiburon, $20,000 will cover the car and the loan intersts but with GTI, $20,000 will probably get u the base line and still have to pay for options, taxes, tag, license and loan.

I love my Tib

dualceleron · Aug 28, 2001

Nah...Around $20,500 for the GTI Including OPTIONS not including tax

TRSCobra · Aug 28, 2001

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Slip Rear Differential None/None
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Duh... If they're front wheel drive, there IS NO DIFFERENTIAL IN THE REAR.

That comparison was completely made up by dualceleron and consisted only of his opinions/speculations. I doubt the tib would only have 180hp with a chip and a 2.7 v6 because it has 140 now with no chip and a 2.0 i4. I think hes going to get the GTI and he just wants to justify the mistake he's gonna make.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

dualceleron · Aug 28, 2001

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Limited
Slip Rear Differential None/None
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Duh... If they're front wheel drive, there IS NO DIFFERENTIAL IN THE REAR.

That comparison was completely made up by dualceleron and consisted only of his opinions/speculations. I doubt the tib would only have 180hp with a chip and a 2.7 v6 because it has 140 now with no chip and a 2.0 i4. I think hes going to get the GTI and he just wants to justify the mistake he's gonna make.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Sorry to tell you, but there are many FWD cars that have a limited slip rear differential in it. For example, Acura Integra Type-R, Acura RSX Type-R, Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V.

4doorGL · Aug 28, 2001

You're right. They have an LSD, but not a rear LSD as stated in your table <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.

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SPIKE · Aug 28, 2001

Hey Rob can't you block that idiot off the site he is pissing me off and like I told his beetle lovin ass before when I pick up my new Tiburon here in Missouri I want to know where his ass is and I will hand it to him and his girly ass beatle thats my two cents

Jason Mann

VICE PRES. MIDWEST CHAPTER
Team-SR

4doorGL · Aug 28, 2001

I'm not gonna block him from the site for saying that the new Tiburon will be slower than a chipped 1.8T.

I will, however, point out any mistakes he makes with his observations, just as I would with any other HP.Com member <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.

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0 to 60 in 11 seconds (look out!)

4doorGL · Aug 28, 2001

The Golf looks pretty depressing when the correct facts about the GK are in there.

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0 to 60 in 11 seconds (look out!)

MySilverTiburon · Aug 29, 2001

May i close this topic??
I AM A MODERATOR!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I love my Tib

dualceleron · Aug 29, 2001

LOL i read somewhere on this site that GK only goes 0-60 at around 7 seconds how can it make the 6.2seconds gti look depressing? LOL.

Of course, unless GK is $3000 cheaper than the GTI, which means around $17500 including ALL the options, then with a supercharger or turbo, it can kick gti's as*(performance-wise that is. Still no heated seats, heated mirrors, honda civic interior, . So like i said, it all depends on tiburon's price. If it's cheap, then cool, else.... why bother. With Hyundai image and resale value, it can only sell well if it's priced right.

There's no need to get pis*ed at me for showing alternatives. Tiburon is built to COMPETE with other car companies' offer. If it can beat other car companies car, well CONGRATULATIONS! If not, then it should lower its price so that people who buy it doesnt get ripped off. If you are so close minded that you dont even want to look at what other car companies offer and will blindly spend money on a hyundai, you are just encouraging hyundai not to make quality products. If its customers just blindly buy them, meaning they can make the worst cars and sell, how is that good for hyundai supporters? That's why competition is good. Encourages Hyundais to make better cars. Anyway i'm not here to start a war, just showing what else is on the market.

4doorGL · Aug 29, 2001

WTF??? Close minded?

I'm posting FACTUAL INFORMATION about both sides. I've driven Golfs. To be quite honest, they ****in suck my asshole. A decent car for $20,500 is an RSX or an Integra GSR. Hell, for $20,500 you could almost have gotten a base model GS-T in it's day that would kick the **** out of a GTI any day.

VW has bleak, bland styling and weak motors. Hyundai will have one of the best V6's out on the market. Where's the comparison?

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0 to 60 in 11 seconds (look out!)

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