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Ok, Here we go ladies and Gentle men!
Let me see here, Ive always been a domestic man and Ive had a few imports like 240sx,Mirage and now my hyundai, All awesome cars But lack the power of a Musclar stock.... Lets take your standard Mustang cobra around 320 hp to the wheels. and lets take your modern civic si with around 160 hp. 320 VS 160 .......hmm Look who comes faster stock? After mr honda fixs up his car hes be lucky to whuup a Stock cobra. Im simply saying even the older muscle cars with the 351s and 440s are definalty FAST! Fast and Furious made that 931 HP charger look like **** when it couldnt beat a silly supra. Hmm. Let see When they took of the Chargers front end was totally off the ground showing mr supra how much balls he really has..... Id like to see you stick 931 hp in a supra. Even thou that race was bullshit. that charger should of had a wheely bar to keep his ass on the ground giving him a commanding lead. Import cars MAY have the advantage of hitting higher top speeds. But inports will not throw you back into the seat like a muscle car can. Also did you notice it cost a TON to fix up your car and you might be lucky to beat a cobra. when all a mustang or a z28 has to do is get a freakin supercharger then they become GOD ON THE ROAD! After putting 10k into you CIVIC si and you still cant even beat a cobra.... What is wrong with this picture. the cobra just bought a 1500 supercharger and is now racing with all his other buddies with 420hp or higher.See what I getting at ... I love my hyundai to death but it will never beat a camro SS or a Cobra...Im simply saying maros cobras Trans ams. firebirds t birds have been around for a very long time and have earned a good name for themselves..

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Your right on the money.
I mean if that charger has that much torque to pick up the front end....come on.
I don't care if that supra does have 700hp it was still dog food. <img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>
I love domestic cars and my Tib is the first import car I fell in love with...oh and my Hyundai pony too*lol* I could beat the sh*t out of that car and it would still keep on kicking. But I would have to spend a lot of money to catch up with the big monsters.

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you see the thing about the import scene is that it is the challenge of seeing how fast you can make a 4 banger go, if you were to go out and by a car with a big V-8 that just takes all the challenge and fun out of it imo. There is just something very rewarding about knowing that the car you drive is fast because you made it fast not because you laid down the extra 5 or 10 grand to have it come fast from the factory. Now don't get me wrong i love the old muscle cars of the 60's and 70's that had the 454's and the 396's in them there is just somepeople that would prefer to put the blood sweat and tears into making a slow car fast.
 

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Good point. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
I think cars are never fast enough for domestic or import people. We always need to modify are cars.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Good points! No matter what the car is (with the exception of a few), It's fun modding them! need a little more power, just a little more. No way will I invest 10K to even get close to what those V-8's can do!

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why are you comparing a mustang cobra to a civic si? 2 completely different classed cars. put up a real comparison then talk. you are just as bad as the honda owners comparing a civic si to an accent gs, you need to compare class and price range. you get what you pay for. so your point is not a good one <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

oh yea and there are supras with well over 1000hp, and several running low numbers with stock internals. craig paisely is a great example... all he idd is tune and upgrade the turbos and a few other mods, stock internals and all and he is running in the 8's. so once again read up before you post an idiotic comparison and dont let you "gian sized muscle car balls" attitude get in the way of true knowledge of imports and domestics.

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I would spend 10k to give me the power over the domestic monsters. It might take me ten years but it will be done, oh yes it will.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Imports and muscle cars are in a totally different class. The same is true with 8 second cars and 5 seconds cars. Why even bother with the 8's? Because it is fun and some people have their own preferences. Yah a mustang cobra will always kick my ass however I will always get better mileage. It all just depends on what you prefer, sport compacts just arn't in the same class. It is like apples and oranges

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Lantra, go check out my post in the Camaro and Firebird discontinued room in the off topic. I described the same exact thing 2 days ago.

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Stepping into the fire - The supra is fast yes, but with turbo. Now put turbo on a V8, see?
 

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i would rather have the supra. They have soe bombin ass style and they are fast as all hell with the twin turbos, I like the muscle cars too but still. Also if that race was real you dont know really who would win, with twin turbos and nitrous, i think the supra would keep up, also since that charger would have been spinnin wheels the whole time, ex. before my friend with a 86 mustang GT raced another friend with a 99 honda civic SI and my friends mustang had around 280 hp or so and the civic was around 200 and the civic won because my friend in the stang was spinning his wheels.

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Stepping into the fire - The supra is fast yes, but with turbo. Now put turbo on a V8, see?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=1 id=quote>

you guys are being retarded. you start out comparing stock to stock and then you go bitching about supras turbos. supras come STOCK with turbos therefore it is a part of the car. what if i said "well why dont oyu put a v8 in a civic" then it wouldnt be stock to stock. stop contradicting yourselves and get 1 straight story.

compare class for class stock to stock (not just raw power either, i want numbers all around) and then tell me about a ****ing muscle car being better than an import. otherwise keep opinions to yourself and read some facts for a change.

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Actually, you can get 931hp out of a Supra. Powerhouse had one that was featurd on the front of Turbo magazine that was putting out 833whp at 28psi of boost. It had a 40 psi turbo on it and could run full boost. They said that it could put out around 1500 whp running full boost, but I do like muscle cars more.

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Comparing a supra to a mustang is a pretty good comparison. 2 sports cars with REAL power in stock form. That would be a tough call to which one I would pick. Now, you can't compare the Mustang to the S2000. Yeah, their horsepower might be there around the same but the S2000 torque is terrible. I much rather have the stang for the off the line power.

Rudy, for someone who is thinking of getting a civic hatchback from a cool looking accent, you should be the one to talk. From what I read, these are pretty good facts from other members are giving. Mustang and Supra is a good comparison.

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Imports and muscle cars are in a totally different class. The same is true with 8 second cars and 5 seconds cars. Why even bother with the 8's? Because it is fun and some people have their own preferences. Yah a mustang cobra will always kick my ass however I will always get better mileage. It all just depends on what you prefer, sport compacts just arn't in the same class. It is like apples and oranges
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Excellent point cougart. It is like comparing it to apples and oranges. American muscle cars try to make as big of an engine with the most torque and power as possible no matter what the cost may be, such as crap fuel economy; 10mpg in some. Import cars, (mostly asian) try to use small engines and extract as much power as possible out of them, keeping fuel economy and small engine size reasonable. That is why VTEC and VVTI came out to maximize it. That way they try to have the power american V8s have in being fast, yet yield better gas mileage and smaller in size.

In conclusion, either car is great for racing. Whether you take an import and beef it up or take a domestic car and run it pretty much stock...anyone could be a winner.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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****ing **** man I was trying to make a motherfucking point Rudy I was simply SAYING It cost a ****ING TON of money to make a import go FAST when you can just put a ****ing turbo/supercharger into a Domestic car like a Camro tbird stang or whatever and its fast as hell! wtf......

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Let see When they took of the Chargers front end was totally off the ground showing mr supra how much balls he really has.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=1 id=quote>

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A ****ING IMPORT HAVE A LIFT LIKE THAT CHARGER DID!

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lantra wtf cant you read? i said COMPARE STOCK TO STOCK CLASS TO CLASS not ****ing mustang cobra to civic si. you cant compare 2 different classes of cars. its like comparing porsche to accents. wtf are you thinking?

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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A ****ING IMPORT HAVE A LIFT LIKE THAT CHARGER DID!
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if you really want to see i have 2 import videos on my tv right now with imports pulling wheelies all over the place. just to mention 2 of them, one is a nice ass rx7 and the other is a supra. now like i said READ THE ****ING FACTS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR BIG ASS MOUTH it makes you look stupider than you are <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> i've been to plenty of shows/races and have seen plenty of imports get off the ground.

jrh - no member that was bashing imports, compared a supra to a mustang, i brought that comparison up, read the thread. and also me buying a civic hb has nothing to do with this. i know how fast i can make that car and i intend to do what i can, w/ it being street legal (although i am still more show than go) and what cougart said is what i've been saying from the start.

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Come to vegas and watch Civics try to compare themselves to Cobras, even if it was a bad analogy the supra still wouldnt whoop a stangs ass

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like i said...give me numbers.

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