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I was hoping someone here would be able to share the steps for FF drifting..

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The drift experts are still argueing if it should be called drifting or ass dragging for a fwd car <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

But there are one or two things that you can try, preferably on a big open parking lot, because you will need the space:
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drive around in a big circle at 30mph, and then yank the parking brake. The ass of the car will come around and you will have to countersteer to compensate for that. Just use the parking brake briefly is enough to break the grip for the back wheels. Then use the steering wheel and the accelerator to get the car back in line. This is a fwd car, so you need to aply more throttle to get the car back in line. In a rwd car you would ease off the throttle......

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drive in a straight line, steer to the left a bit for 1 sec, then swing the car hard right. This trick was, I think, done first by some finnish rally drivers. It work very good on a wet surface in a fwd car.

The whole idea is that you play around with moving the weight of the car around over the 4 wheels. In the first example when you yank the parking brake the rear wheels will drift around. By applying more throttle in a fwd car the weight of the car will transfered from the front wheels to the back wheels a bit. More weight on the wheels means more chance that the wheels grip the ground again. This, and the front wheels pulling the cars forward will get you out of the drift. The opposite happens when you easy of the throttle during drift. Weight will be shifted to the front wheels, which will have more grip, and the rearwheels will have less grip. Try this and you will see that the car probably does a 180 on you.

Surprisingly drifting is a low speed activity!!! Drifting a car on the highway at 90mph is only done in the movies. (and some crazy japanese guys in their customized drift setup cars...)



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Hey Simp thanks for the help. I guess I have been watching a little too much Initial D<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>The only problem is that I have seen what a well placed 4-wheel drift can do...and there is some, not much, basis in fact where initial-D is concerned.(I had my ass kicked by an Ae86 Levin not too long ago)

Drifting in a FWD car(ie.ANY Hyundai)requires some freak driving methods like left-braking to keep the vehicle's weight biased towards the front suspension.Here is the problem: when a FWD car acclerates, weight is transferred to the rear wheels and suspension, therefore inducing MASSIVE understeer,so we cant use "kansai" type drifting not only because it would end up in us eating the wall but because we would have power UNDERSTEER where a RWD would be power OVERSTEERING in order to force over-rotation to gain a better accleration angle into the corner exit,and therefore use more of the tyre's tractive potential for accleration,resulting in faster corner exits.

Now, in a FWD car you ight have to steer towards the OUTSIDE of the corner before braking and entering the turn at a VERY HIGH DRIFT ANGLE.When you're in the turn, it basically comes down to keeping the car's weight bias toward the front,hence the left-foot braking.The weakness of this method is that it is more of a wet-road style, and that you have to be in a line pararell line with the road before you can start accleration, or the understeer will have you rocketing towards the wall like its no one's business...


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Icy parking lots in Utah, just go running at them, right when you hit them, crank hard one way or the other and slam the ebrake on...

a lot funner, and in big empty parking lots, nice and safe. my wife hates skidding on ice, slipping whatever, but when i went and just did donuts and sliding in an empty parking lot forever,she loved it hehe... sorry
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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>Try putting some pylons on the icy lot, and then try going them round them without much traction. It's lots more fun, and it can only make your driving better!


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I like my car too much for the prking lot with pylons.

I still say its ass dragging.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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would a stiff rear strut bar or anti sway bar give the car more understeering characteristics?


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would a stiff rear strut bar or anti sway bar give the car more understeering characteristics?


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No, it would help correct understeer.


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Rant on: Who cares if you look cool coming off a corner? All that matters is who's the first to cross the finish line. If your driving as fast as your car and the track can handle, you WILL drift sometimes, other times you won't. Drifting for the sake of drifting is useless and for posers. :Rant off.


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When taking some corners for instance today in my autocross they had 2 long sweeping 180 degree turns which I would enter at high speed in second gear. The understeer is horrible and makes drifting hard normally. Add a little left foot braking and some right foot exceleration (not to much to hurt the brakes) and the rear will break loose and the fronts will keep pulling the car around the corner. This helped alot on one run and shaved some time. But I don't suggest doing it in an event unless you've tried doing it for awhile.


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>There is a point to drifting cobra...and it's not always for looks. Sometimes the turn's gonna be a little tight, and sticking to the conventional line will cost too much time becauseyou'll have to take a little longet to set up for the corner exit(especially in a FF car where you'll be driving out of the corner instead of over-rotating with throttle input and getting a better exit angle a whole lot sooner.)

What a very slight drift(low angle) can do for you is to also set you up for the next section, especially if that section has been designed to break your momentum if you're on the conventional racing line.

It all depends on the track, which technique will be saving you the most time and helping you to set up better for the next series of turns.

Drifting also has its place in overtaking an opponent: if you're up against someone who likes to do his best in out-braking others, you can benifit from this technique as well! Assume that you're being outbraked coming into a hairpin...you can get an advantage by starting a little over-rotation and setting up for the next corner by lining up for the exit better than the guy next to you, and in the end acclerating a little earlier. This style will usually put you a little out in front(maybe 1/5car or so) by the time you both hit the next turn(provided you're not outmatched when it comes to power)...and the process repeats itself again. If he/she refuses to be outdone by this and acclerates early, then you can use what's called a driftblock, where you'll be sliding out right in front of your rival, forcing him/her to hit their brakes, and you'll be lined up better for the corner exit too, especially if you're going into a right turn thats followed by another right, or a similar corner series!!!(btw have a heavy club or baseball bat in the car with you if you do this, it usuall starts fights in the pits after the race)

Be safe out there!


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That's basically what I said. Sometimes, you'll drift as a byproduct of taking the fastest line for your particular car. I was just saying that I'm tired of people watching those idiotic "Drift" videos coming out of Japan and going out on the street or the track and <i>trying</i> to drift because they think it's "cool". My messege is this: Don't learn how to "drift", learn how to drive fast.


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Yes, during a race drifting can be a by product of taking the fastest line. But many people would disagree with you about the drift videos being "Idiotic" especially in Japan and Australia were it is a fast growing sport. Yes a lot of people do take there cars to the street or track because other then those two places and parking lots there is no other place to do it on pavement. And you are right drifting is not a very useful race technique but knowing how to do it can make a good driver better. Not all people who drift are posers... we might be show offs but not all are posers. And most people that know how to drift will tell you its not a high speed technique unless you are in a rally car. Most drifting competitions are around 2nd gear hair pins and are judged on their line and technique speed hardly factors in. But I got to admit a good high speed drift is a sight to behold. Diving fast and drifting are two different things but only the person that thinks they can do both at the same time and not succeed is a poser but a person that can do both and succeed as a driver that shouldn't be under estimated. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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Well said Great white<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>Please conduct appropriate research into Japanese driver named "Keiichi Tsuchiya", aka "The drift king" who competes in the JGTC and is a tester/reviewer for BEST Motoring magazine.

He is a prime example of how knowledge of drifting can make a good driver better.


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Many people would also disagree if I said smoking crack is idiotic, that doesn't mean they'd be right. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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Yeah, I was on crack the other day
practicing my drifting...it was cool though, I was using a shopping cart on the freshly waxed floor of the Supermarket. Push all the groceries to the front of the cart, then as you take a corner hop up on the cart as the ass-end drifts around. Be CAREFUl, the weight of the groceries will shift to the rear and you could spin out into frozen foods and sh*t.
I almost rolled it into a blue-hair reaching for some Lucky Charms. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/disapprove.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>Hey Maxx thats nothing man! I didnt have to use a shopping cart either! I just skid my berms-clad ass* across the floor of my aunt's place yesterday when my cousin spilled the gatorade all over! The best part is how your ass will whip left and right when you go the wrong way and start down the stairs!huh! and I' not impotent now either, so I guess the berms really did do a god job of protecting my boys down there eh?lolololol


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