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Hyundai Motor to develop electric cars with U.S. fuel cell maker UTC
Wednesday January 30, 2002 - 8:40:53 EST




SEOUL (AP) - South Korea's Hyundai Motor Co. will jointly develop and manufacture electrically powered vehicles with UTC Fuel Cells of the United States, Hyundai officials said Wednesday.
Hyundai's sister company, Kia Motors Corp., also joined in the deal as a partner, Hyundai said in a news release. The company gave no further details.

Hyundai and UTC last March succeeded in developing a sport utility vehicle powered by hydrogen fuel cells. But the vehicle, fully charged, can travel only 160 kilometres.

Electric cars emit none of the exhaust fumes that are considered a major cause of global warming.




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Cool.... so that is where they are focusing their R&D expenses on....<img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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hmmm an electric tuscani..... with like 50 hp, traveling range of 50 miles, ****, i can't see something like that selling, even a santa fe for that matter

more like, an accent or elantra

hell, i'd buy an electric xg350 if it was about the same price, pimpin around in that basically jaguiar, and not paying a penny for gas


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here is the Santa Fe in action ...

http://www.utcfuelcells.com/transportation/video/hyundai.wmv

some additional info...
http://www.utcfuelcells.com/transportation/auto.shtml

same fuel cell used by BMW...

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Edited by - ConceptVBS on 01/30/2002 3:59:09 PM
 

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Two things about electric cars: 50HP is a lot for an electric car. That's 50HP (understanding it might just be an illustration number) right from nothing. Have you ever tried to stop a 50HP electric motor? VERY strong off the line, if the gears are like a normal car. They'll prolly be pretty different though. whatever

This really gets my goat. Electric cars: they say they produce zero emissions. That is BULL SH!T. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/guns.gif width=33 height=16 border=0>
Where does the electricity in the fuel cell come from? hydrogen. Where does the hydrogen come from? Electricity. Sound efficient yet? how about all the electricity WASTED just to get the hydrogen to permeate the cells?

The US gets 40 odd percent of all her electricity from COAL FIRED GENERATORS. That's a COAL powered car. It's not zero emissions, it's zero *direct* emissions. We just won't talk about all the environmentally UNfriendly crap in a fuel cell. At least an engine just turns into rust...<img src=/images/forums/snitz/uhh.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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Electric motors make 50 hp instantly unlike a fossil fuel engine. Check the hps curves for a gasoline engine starts at 0. Electric motors can be much faster than engines as the technology grows. Same gearing the electric would win a drag race, at leaste at shorter distances.


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and btw peeps, i pulled the number 50 hp right outta my ass

i have read lots of reviews on electric engines, and they say that actually driving them, you better have a hill and a grandpa in front or a lot of balls to try and pass someone... just what i have read

and that was on a full electric car. the winner of a race, and it didn't have any guts, BUT, it could travel 400 miles on a single charge, and could be charged in one entire day... not too bad... don't remember the hp, and it was like a mini van style.

i would buy something like that. 500 miles is a lot, not super fast, as long as they did something like a truck instead of a van, (a small truck, think the old nissans like 97)

could be charged for half a pack of gum (they said about 30 cents, so I assume the big packs)

that's like 1 cent per mile. and i possibly could make it on trips back to my parents on just one charge. not too damned bad. a lot better then let's say about 10-15 cents per mile for gas powered. and you still get from point a to point b, you just may not be the fastest one up the mtn side as you were in your tiburon.



<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0> to hyundai. something that will save us money, and although is not zero emmissions, is still more effeciant then gas powered engines.

i am waiting for my solar powered car for las vegas. plenty of sun down here... and can charge on the street when not in use. that's what i want. who cares if it looks funny with solar panels on it, i would be paying a hella of a lot less for my travel then everyone around me.

the only problem on solar cars, no sun, it's hard, and you need some battery reserves to get the car going and keeping it going.


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It's a lot more efficient to power something using electricity than it is using gasoline. Fossil fuels are gonna be used to create electricity regardless of the existence of electric cars. You might as well create the technology to unify your source of energy and eventually try to make everything run off of the same basic source.


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Here is just one link of thousands on performace electrical vehicles.
http://www.geocities.com/electrocar2001/electric.html
As electrical technology increases, electrical cars could easily be able to out accelerate and perform traditional internal combustion. Current technologies it not realistic. But look at the measley performance of the current internal combustion engines after decades of intense research. Just wait till electric has that many years and dollars poured into it. We might not be alive but trust me from an engineering stand point electric vehicles of the future will be able to crush the performance/emissions(including those to make the electricity)/ and refueling or charging of the internal combustion engine of that same time period. It's not a question of if but when. Do some reasearch on motors and engines. The physics and efficiencies, the potential to refine each, and the maximum ammount of energy that can harnessed. I would say it's not rocket science but in many ways similar. Compare todays electric vehicles to a Model T, they crush it's performance and reliability. My 2 cents.


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If that model T had a steam engine, it could go head to head with a modern fullsize pickup. Torque baby.

Good point Iago, on the unified power source. Never see it in my life, though.

Done right yes an electric can be a performer. but the storage battery limitations mean very tall gears = slug off line, or short distance ability. I think so anyhow.


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off topic a little, but they made (when experimenting with the electric cars) a perpetual motion electric engine, where the rpms would continue to rise until slowed... very powerful, very electric efficient, regenerating power, very efficient ****.

but the thing was, the torque on the chassi, made it almost completely impossible to stear it, they said 10 degrees was the maximum degree to turn it going only 5 mph hehe...

that'd suck they threw that idea into the trash


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i dunno the exact specifications of what it is...

basically, it yes, has permenent magnets, probably the rare earth ones they use in hard drives, but larger, which spin the rotor... and (spin a bicicle wheel and hold it up in a chair, it will spin you, purpetual motion)

the electricty would spin the rotor to a certain rpm, then it would be retained, and mechanically slowed... but that perpetual torque, because it was attached to the frame (can't have the engine spin in circles by itself)
would make it so you couldn't turn the vehicle.


i think it is a great idea... for like a train engine. on a track (really strong) and mostly straight... and bigger of course. maybe to go along with the super train in germany... i dunno, i'll shut up again


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you know... in a couple of years, a decade or two perhaps...<img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>... we would be talking about how much KW we have rather than horsepower..lol....

A: "what ya got in there?"

B: "well, I got 30KW electro-mechanical G300 e-motor, with a Gemanium-Oxide battery, drive-by-wire drivetrain and some hyundaiperformance.com stickers.."

B: " what ya got in yours?"

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well, i just hooked up a 120 watt solar panel to the top, layered in clear something something

that tips off the 28kw battery reserves. not as much as your 30, but i am 15 lbs lighter, and my batteries won't go below 80% extending their life 50 years

hehe


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