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Im workin on this now, itll either be badass or an improved CAI... when i get some money testing will tell. Any ideas to help me. Anyone know the math to figure volume of air per rpm? I know there is an equation to figure that kinda thing.. any engineers here? and don't tell me it can't be done! No bubble bursting!<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> Im going to be stationed in Korea with nothing to do... so i will make it work dang it!


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Ps. I know there are some out there.. but from what i hear they SUCK.. mine wont
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dude, the fastest Leaf blowers,blow air at 210mph, which is what we all think is great right? well they blow 484cfm of air at 210mph, high speed low volume.

it will be able to pack .4 of the required air into your 2.0L (i thinks thats how it is)
Now you gotta remember, to get boost, you gotta pack as much air as the engine wll hold and then some



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This has been done, the electric supercharger does exist and works, for a 5-10 hp gain for a short time ( or it burns out ) but it only helps at low rpm. I bel;ieve they were at www.esupercharger.com


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Didn't i say that mine won't suck<img src=/images/forums/snitz/cool.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> Leaf blows arn't designed to push volume, just blow fast enough to knock light ass leaves away.. it has to do with the impellers they use (i beleive). I think if i can find a good enough eletric motor that won't burn out/high volume impeller setup, itll produce some boost. Once i pull this miricale off i have to find the best way to tell it when to boost... like a trottle sensor or just go off the amps the altnernator is putting out.. then the wireing. Its a project.. ill prolly mount it to some 100 beater car to see if it works so i don't blow up my accent.. or damage its wireing systems.


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Just remember that a turbo puting out 7 to 8 psi. runs about 150,000 rpms. So that motor better be a dammm good one. But that is a turbo, just remember things like if too much boost is added to a fuel-injected car, the system may not provide enough fuel -- either the software programmed into the controller will not allow it, or the pump and injectors are not capable of supplying it. In this case, other modifications will have to be made to get the maximum benefit. So it will take a lot of thinking but it can be done so have fun and don't get sad if it does not work right at first just keep trying other things. Dammm that was long if I lost you sorry <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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Damn thats fast.... I think i can find one.. but its gonna need some sorta cooling system. Yeah I thought about the feul thing. I was talkin to rob about if tib injectors/feul pump would fit an accent to add the extra feul needed. Anyone with ideas about:

Altnerator Needed
Wireing
Trottle Sensing Device or method
Cooling the Motor
The motor
Impeller system
Scooped or more like a CAI to feed it
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If you can find a motor that can handle the rpms for a good period of time. Then it should be ok for air cool plus keeping the air cooled by a intercooler may help alittle. Because most berings cann't handle the extream rpms and there is now way to use oil.

The wireing is up to you from the power supply to a cut off switch in the car or a remote to the ignetion

Feul - not sure about the tib pump on a accent but you still need the programing to match

All I can say is you have alot of work & Testing to do. I am sure rob will find out about the pump and some other things.


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I found a Aveox 1412/6y that turns 30,000rpms at its 5mm driveshaft and can take 200degrees C. Its a very small one too.. i emailed the company to see if they could make a bigger one faster. I know they already have an amp to take 12v to 50... not sure how that works.. but Ok. I think itll work now that i have found something to power it.
 

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I dunno if this will help anyone, but I though I would throw out what I have read/seen.

Someone else was working on a similar idea, only using capacitors to power the electric supercharger.

The caps would charge while you drive, then give you hella voltage to power the fan for about 15 to 20 seconds (like nitrous)...then would need time to recharge (time to line back up for your next 1/4 mile run).

I think that idea is the best I've seen so far.

A normal electric fan's requirements to move 500 to 700 CFM would far exceed the electrical capacity of the battery and alt of a stock car. But by using caps, you can store the electricity.

The guy doing it said he found "sheet capacitors" that were long, wide and thin. He was planning on stacking them up and somehow using them in series rather than in parallel.

Then you just need to find a damn good electric fan that can move that much air.


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Didn't think of that. I am looking into an amp of some sort. Made buy the same people who have the motor i need. The amp can bring a normal 12v system like a car runs off of to 50v. I dunno aout what kindsa strain it puts on the charging system. Still waiting on a responce from Aveox.. if it strains it to much to cause damage those caps might take the amps place.


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Just a suggestion have you looked into the new 42v battery system. or you could hook up a second battery in parrallel to provide more juice.


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The black and decker charger. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

It could work. Hell there are some Leaf blowers (you might want to think of this) Using gas pushing 700 to 800 Cub feet a minute.
Hmmm
Maby tie in the Blower moter to electric start and feed it off the car's fuel system.
Build a bypass so that fuel goes by the motor but what does not get used goes back into the return line or something (I have it in my head maby if I get bored Ill cad it out)

http://home.att.net/~t.vago/eram-waste-howto.html

This guy debunks the Famus(sp) E-RAM but has some of the math.
You don't end up having to worry about drawing much from the battery and if your tricky you can make a blow off valve so you get that nice sound

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I don't think that this will work... you will lose more power powering up the electric supercharger... that is why they are playing with the capacitors... charge up / lose power when you don't need it and then release that energy by using the electric supercharger.

I believe Garrett is working on an electric turbocharger assist.... spins up the turbo to reduce lag.


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there is a way it could be done , if you get an electric die grider( 240 volt mains power or what ever is in your country) then buy a 12 volt to 240volt convertor from camping supplies ,but you will need a big convertor because the electric die grinder needs 1000watts of power but these things spin at 27000rpm ,put a rotor on this baby and it will blow heaps, and if you buy a gell battery (same as electric wheelchair)and put it in the boot, you will have a completey seperate system to run the supercharger) and if your clever you can have a switch to charge both batterys ,hope this give you some food for thought<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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...and then you have a converter sucking down 2500 watts to feed your thousand watt motor and the gains are offset by the extra 100-300lbs of battery in the back.


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there is a website www.electricsupercharger.com

1psi boost

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Im workin on this now, itll either be badass or an improved CAI... when i get some money testing will tell. Any ideas to help me. Anyone know the math to figure volume of air per rpm? I know there is an equation to figure that kinda thing.. any engineers here? and don't tell me it can't be done! No bubble bursting!<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> Im going to be stationed in Korea with nothing to do... so i will make it work dang it!


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Let's put this to rest.

First the power drain will be greater than the power gain. You could add lots of extra weight with capacitors and batteries but why?

The echarger is kind of stupid... it runs battery power in short burst... maximizing the battery power for the engine. You would be better off with either a smaller high performance battery or an underdrive pulley.

Finding a well sealed pump that will push the air required under boost is difficult. There is a reason why turbochargers cost so much money and need rebuilding if there is even a small amount of play in the shaft.


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