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Will the new Tib be better or worse for Libra Racing in a rally application? Would they use the V6?



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Last word is it is a "touring car". This therefore puts it in the class with the RSX and 3-series coupe.

Rally I think is left to the Accent now.


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I wonder how long they can stick with the older model Tiburon, I'm sure Hyundai has some say as they sponsor them. The AWD system was from the HCD concepts, the new Tib doesn't stem from those as far as I can tell.
 

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I don't think they could use the new Tib. Because it is not based on a compact car frame of the Elantra...it uses the midsize Sonata frame. The Tib has moved up a class to the larger sport car arena. A V6 just doesn't allow it to remain.

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Go Accents... Mwahahahahahaha.... the tib has had its fun in the touring races... now its time for the lil guys to shine


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I was thinking that only 4 cyl where aloud in wrc.... and scca.... im prolly wrong... I always imagined that those subaru bitches would have put something else bigger in if they could... (and my god why didnt they turbo the 2.5 instead of jumping back down the the 2.0..?) Not that i have anything against 2 litre motors or anything<img src=/images/forums/snitz/tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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Last that I heard they were gonna use the new design for Rally<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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I wonder how long they can stick with the older model Tiburon, I'm sure Hyundai has some say as they sponsor them. The AWD system was from the HCD concepts, the new Tib doesn't stem from those as far as I can tell.
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Actually, it uses the AWD system from a Lancer EVO IV, our chassis are practically the same.

Now dont go looking at the US spec Lancer, its a POS and does not even use the same engine as the real one. Close example would be the Mirage which was originaly the US spec Lancer, I actually have seen people convert Mirages to EVO Lancer wannabes.


My guess is they wont go with the new tiburon based on the fact, the car would need to be modified for rally spec, and may fall in a different class just based on engine size and chassis size, also I cannot think of a car that is about the same size as the new tiburon for which they could adapt the AWD system from.

At the moment, My guess is that the current rally tiburon, is really the original chassis they have always had, they basically changed the hood and front and rear bumpers to give it the new 2nd gen look.




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Mateus, actually the new Tiburon is still built on the Elantra platform. However, if you get the V6, then the engine subframe will be from a Sonata.


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I forgot the new tiburon still comes in 4 cyc, my guess is that they would adapt the 4cyc version for rally use.


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Personally this is how I think Hyundai should do things.

They dominated rally.

Acura/Honda, Toyota and BMW are in touring.

Go into touring, blow the doors off the competition DIRECTLY.

Unfortunately though the Accent hasn't been doing all that well against the Subaru WRX. Though to be honest, sometimes, having less weight isn't all that good. Hyundai has cut weight drastically by switching to the Accent, but I personally think the Accent was too light of a car to throw on the rally tack to compete with the WRX. Not to dis an Accent or nothing. I think a more reasonable car for rallying is a Tiburon or Elantra GT.

One reason is when your in the air you want to hit the ground ASAP. In case theres a turn coming up = more braking needed, and the simple fact that your not going faster in the air, you are decreasing speed. Less weight, less pull to the earth, more hang time, simple as that.

Not saying now a 4,000 pound truck would be better either. Cause now you are loosing agility of a smaller car, as well as power to weight difference. I think the Tiburon had to be the perfect balance of all these factors, and why it did so well.

Then again all facts come from games such us Top Gear Rally, GT series and heck I drive a heavy Sonata that is so sluggish and bad handling in comparison to my old Tiburon.


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I heard the same thing. Hyundai was boasting the more rigid chassis of the new tib would be better for rally...I don't know why they'd say that if the car wasn't going to do rally.


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Mateus, actually the new Tiburon is still built on the Elantra platform. However, if you get the V6, then the engine subframe will be from a Sonata.

That makes absolutely no sense. You can't have the same car using two different platforms that are completely different in size and dimensions. You can put in that lil 2.0 in the bigger frame though...The rally version of this car will probably have to compete in the same class as the Lexus IS300 and such...

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Sure it makes sense.

The full chassis is based on the Elantra. If you get the 4-cylinder, the engine subframe (sheet metal inside engine compartment) is based off the Elantra. If you get the V6, the engine subframe is based off the Sonata, while the rest of the chassis is based off of the Elantra.


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Guys, don't you know any physics? The elantra would fall as fast as any other car, or anything else for that matter, regardless of how much it weighs. However, weight IS needed to maintain traction. That's why Bowser and DK are the illest in Mario Kart. Duh.


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Only thing I can add to this is that I know that Hyundai Motorsports will be pushing hard their 3 new 2003 Tibs (you did read 3) in the motorolla cup this next season. They are currently checking if it would be a good idea to do the speedvision cup also.

Get ready to see some Tibbys on the screen my friends!


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That's why Bowser and DK are the illest in Mario Kart. Duh.
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Actually, the Libra Rally cars run in the open class, where pretty much anything goes, so they can use the new Tiburon, a V6, or whatever else they want to use.
From their performance this year, I would tend to believe that they decided to cut the racing budget this year so that they could have more money to develop next years cars (in fact it wouldn't be impossible to think that they have had the new Tibs (or Accents if they are so inclined) all this year working on getting them ready for next year. Libra was running the Elantra before the Tiburon came out, so we probably won't know until they either make a public announcement or until the first even next month.


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