Is it possible for me to do an engine swap or upgrade my current engine... Damn it!!! I need more power... also what would my ratios look like if I switched from a 4spd manual trans to a 5spd? would it weakin my 1st n 2nd and drag 3rd forever or will I be easing up on the redline revs??? I have so many questions... I noticed that the Hyundai Pony looks exactly like the excel... so I think I'll be ordering that kit (minus that extra wing) and i'm goin with gun metal grey for the exterior... anybody know someone that does lether int. let me know... IExcel Union County New Jersey.... p.s. I want to build a sleeper and become a vdub and honda killer.
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The Excel and Pony are the same car 
Its just the american/everywhere else translation.
Kinda like the Accent is called the Excel in most other places.
I have fond memories of my Excel Had 3 of them. Not sure about engine transplants but I do know the 92 scoupe engine fits into the accent...and since the accent and excel are pretty much the same car...should fit in there as well.
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Its just the american/everywhere else translation.
Kinda like the Accent is called the Excel in most other places.
I have fond memories of my Excel
Had 3 of them. Not sure about engine transplants but I do know the 92 scoupe engine fits into the accent...and since the accent and excel are pretty much the same car...should fit in there as well."Help a fellow Tuner; Be helped by a fellow Tuner."
Whats up man? Welcome to the board.
I don't know much about the excel so I am going out on the limb here. You might be able to drop a Mitsu turbo engine and trans in the car with out much problems. Some peeps are doing it with older Elantras Cause Mitsu made the engines and trans in the old days. So look into that.
As far as swapping from auto to 5spd. It can be done but of course anything can be done if you have enough money. There is more to it than most people think and you would be better off just spending the money on other mods. NOS would be cheaper and you would be faster. If you realy want a 5spd excel than you should sell your car and find one that alredy is a 5spd. It would be alot cheaper.
<img src="http://www.coreyandjayshow.com/pee.gif" border=0><b>HONDA</b>
I don't know much about the excel so I am going out on the limb here. You might be able to drop a Mitsu turbo engine and trans in the car with out much problems. Some peeps are doing it with older Elantras Cause Mitsu made the engines and trans in the old days. So look into that.
As far as swapping from auto to 5spd. It can be done but of course anything can be done if you have enough money. There is more to it than most people think and you would be better off just spending the money on other mods. NOS would be cheaper and you would be faster. If you realy want a 5spd excel than you should sell your car and find one that alredy is a 5spd. It would be alot cheaper.
<img src="http://www.coreyandjayshow.com/pee.gif" border=0><b>HONDA</b>
Thanks for the info guys... oh and my car isn't auto its a 4spd... i just want to add the 5th gear so i can stop hurting the poor thing...and i'll look into those mitsu turbos... sounds like a plan..oh and the NOS... i'm already there, just waiting for exterior, interior, rims, and sound system to be done... and i'm so there.... Hyundai...the sleeping giant...
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Hi, My name is Tim Zacher. I live out in Seattle, WA. I have a 1991 Hyundai Excel GS Hatchback, 5 speed Manual. As far as the 5 speed goes its outstanding! With the five speed I normally around at about 2500RPM, I can be down to 1500RPM and still have some power, and at 4500RPM It holds there. As hills go, I drive over a steep mountain pass just about ever weekend and I got about 65-70 up the pass. That is mainly in 5th gear and it runs at about 2500RPM up the pass. But if I shift to 4th I'll go up at 3000RPM and I can go 75-85 no problem. My mom has a Suzuki Vitara that is 5 speed auto and it goes up the pass in 4th gear at abou 4500RPM. The excel engine is great for the mountains. I've never gotten close to an overheating problem either. For drag racing my best shift point is 5000RPM, I feel that anything higher doesn't produce enough since my horsepower is low. I don't have a quarter mile time yet. But I have beaten a Honda Civic. The one thing you'll see is the Hyundai will pull off the line fast than the civic but the civic will catch up, thats the superior horsepower it has. One thing about Hyundai's in general is the higher torque over horse power ratio. Stock a Excel has 81HP and 92 lbs of torque. Compared to a Civic of the same year we are a little low. But can be competative. A civic has something like 95hp and 85 lbs of torque if I remember. Hespala a guy that lives in Australia has a X-1 excel and a X-2 excel. X is like generation. Me and you have a X-2. Hespala has his X-1 damn fast! It has a early Mitsubishi Lancer engine with Turbo in it. Very fast! I've heard that NOS might be ok up to 65psi shot in a stock Hyundai Engine. Our engine is really a Mitsubishi engine, Hyundai made its own engine in the Accent when it was made. So if you go to any performance shops don't tell them you have a Hyundai engine. If you want a turbo, my suggestion is get a Hyundai S-Coupe turbo engine, from a junk yard, or someplace like that. The s-coupe engine should be able to bolt in very easily. Other engines, be it mitsubishi, or honda have to be squished in. If you want to add a turbo to the stock motor you have now, you can, but for best performance you'll need to have to sent to a place that specializes in adding more valves. The Excel is a 8 valve engine and a conversion to 12 valve will make a turbo a good investment. If you get it converted to 12 valve then ask some of the Accent guys around here they can help you with a turbo. 150 HP is easy in the engine. As far as cold air intakes go, the Excel is a hard car to work with. The intake has a sensor in it called a MAFS (Mitsubishi Air Flow Sensor), with out it, the engine won't run. I've tried a few ways around it, but all unsuccessful. Some people say upgrade the fuel injection system to the 1994 excel, or go to a Accent Injector, that will change the sensor out. The sensor is like the whole size of the tube, and the airbox is big to get a bigger burst of air (i.e. more torque at first) is you need to know any suspension upgrades, H & R I believe has lowering springs, and so does Intrax I think it is. (Somethine Trax). I'm building my excel to rally it so what I'm doing is getting stiffer shocks and struts. I'll probably order a Shark Racing front strut bar. I'll be putting in 5 point harnessess, wheels and tires. The engine isn't changing much. If I do do anything to it, it will be a engine swap to turbo and a 4wd conversion.
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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Des Moines, WA
Hi, My name is Tim Zacher. I live out in Seattle, WA. I have a 1991 Hyundai Excel GS Hatchback, 5 speed Manual. As far as the 5 speed goes its outstanding! With the five speed I normally around at about 2500RPM, I can be down to 1500RPM and still have some power, and at 4500RPM It holds there. As hills go, I drive over a steep mountain pass just about ever weekend and I got about 65-70 up the pass. That is mainly in 5th gear and it runs at about 2500RPM up the pass. But if I shift to 4th I'll go up at 3000RPM and I can go 75-85 no problem. My mom has a Suzuki Vitara that is 5 speed auto and it goes up the pass in 4th gear at abou 4500RPM. The excel engine is great for the mountains. I've never gotten close to an overheating problem either. For drag racing my best shift point is 5000RPM, I feel that anything higher doesn't produce enough since my horsepower is low. I don't have a quarter mile time yet. But I have beaten a Honda Civic. The one thing you'll see is the Hyundai will pull off the line fast than the civic but the civic will catch up, thats the superior horsepower it has. One thing about Hyundai's in general is the higher torque over horse power ratio. Stock a Excel has 81HP and 92 lbs of torque. Compared to a Civic of the same year we are a little low. But can be competative. A civic has something like 95hp and 85 lbs of torque if I remember. Hespala a guy that lives in Australia has a X-1 excel and a X-2 excel. X is like generation. Me and you have a X-2. Hespala has his X-1 damn fast! It has a early Mitsubishi Lancer engine with Turbo in it. Very fast! I've heard that NOS might be ok up to 65psi shot in a stock Hyundai Engine. Our engine is really a Mitsubishi engine, Hyundai made its own engine in the Accent when it was made. So if you go to any performance shops don't tell them you have a Hyundai engine. If you want a turbo, my suggestion is get a Hyundai S-Coupe turbo engine, from a junk yard, or someplace like that. The s-coupe engine should be able to bolt in very easily. Other engines, be it mitsubishi, or honda have to be squished in. If you want to add a turbo to the stock motor you have now, you can, but for best performance you'll need to have to sent to a place that specializes in adding more valves. The Excel is a 8 valve engine and a conversion to 12 valve will make a turbo a good investment. If you get it converted to 12 valve then ask some of the Accent guys around here they can help you with a turbo. 150 HP is easy in the engine. As far as cold air intakes go, the Excel is a hard car to work with. The intake has a sensor in it called a MAFS (Mitsubishi Air Flow Sensor), with out it, the engine won't run. I've tried a few ways around it, but all unsuccessful. Some people say upgrade the fuel injection system to the 1994 excel, or go to a Accent Injector, that will change the sensor out. The sensor is like the whole size of the tube, and the airbox is big to get a bigger burst of air (i.e. more torque at first) is you need to know any suspension upgrades, H & R I believe has lowering springs, and so does Intrax I think it is. (Somethine Trax). I'm building my excel to rally it so what I'm doing is getting stiffer shocks and struts. I'll probably order a Shark Racing front strut bar. I'll be putting in 5 point harnessess, wheels and tires. The engine isn't changing much. If I do do anything to it, it will be a engine swap to turbo and a 4wd conversion.
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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Des Moines, WA
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Hehe.. Well lucky I'm on! Saturday my right rear window shattered in the heat over in eastern WA. So Today at 1:00 I'm getting it replaced. It was weird! I went out to the car, opened all the windows, was just about to close the door and Boom the window shattered. I looked to see if someone hit it. But nope! Only the glass on the edges flew off. I had tinting on the window so it stayed together, but all shattered. I had to drive to seattle with no rear window! Gotta change the oil too... Oh well. $180 back into the car! thats not including the tinting!
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1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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Des Moines, WA
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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Des Moines, WA
PUMBAA...
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU... YOU HAVE GIVEN ME SO MANY IDEAS MY HEAD IS SPINNING... I AM HAVING A BRAIN STORM OF IDEAS NOW... I'M GONNA BE GETTING TO WORK ON THE EXTERIOR SOON... I'M GOING GUN METAL GREY WITH MATCHING 17'GUN METAL GREY RIMS... GIVE ME SOME MORE IDEAS I CAN JUGGLE WITH... OPINIONS FROM ALL OF YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOMED. THANK YOU
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU... YOU HAVE GIVEN ME SO MANY IDEAS MY HEAD IS SPINNING... I AM HAVING A BRAIN STORM OF IDEAS NOW... I'M GONNA BE GETTING TO WORK ON THE EXTERIOR SOON... I'M GOING GUN METAL GREY WITH MATCHING 17'GUN METAL GREY RIMS... GIVE ME SOME MORE IDEAS I CAN JUGGLE WITH... OPINIONS FROM ALL OF YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOMED. THANK YOU
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Iexcel:
ATH I believe has a very nice body kit, and if I remember it correctly ATH is being imported by KORE motorsports, an affiliate of HP.com. You may want to visit "KOREmotorsports.net" and get their e-mail address, they can give you a price for importing the kit. ATH is at "ATH-Hinsberger.com" The only other body kit I've seen is from Erebuni in New York. I called on that kit last year, they only had the front and back pieces left. It was on clearance for $200. Good Luck on the car!
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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Des Moines, WA
ATH I believe has a very nice body kit, and if I remember it correctly ATH is being imported by KORE motorsports, an affiliate of HP.com. You may want to visit "KOREmotorsports.net" and get their e-mail address, they can give you a price for importing the kit. ATH is at "ATH-Hinsberger.com" The only other body kit I've seen is from Erebuni in New York. I called on that kit last year, they only had the front and back pieces left. It was on clearance for $200. Good Luck on the car!
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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you guys are actually pretty cool. i never thought much of the older excels. but i didnt know anyone did anything to them ever. i always see broken down ones. probably because the people neglect thier cars and never change oil. just like they do with other cheap cars never change the oil or do a spec of maint. and wonder why it breaks down. well i respect you guys. im just curious how well do those mitsu engines hold up to the abuse? i know i put my engine through tons of abuse hehe.<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
did you just lose to an auto 4spd? i think you did...
did you just lose to an auto 4spd? i think you did...
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As far as things go for me I bought my Excel at 70,000 Miles and it has worked wonders. Other than standard maintenance I don't do much to it. The engine is great! I'm still pumpin 40 MPG out of it at 115,000 miles. I would like to get rid of the MAFS and be able to throw a better cold air in, but I don't want to take the time. I put a Magnaflow muffler on at about 80-85,000 Miles that boosted my MPG from 34 in town to 38, and from 36 on the Highway to 40... I'm proud of the car. Now at the 115K mark its starting to puff a mini cloud of blue smoke in the morning after sitting. I am going to check into it. It doesn't suck oil at all so I dunno, Might just be getting old.
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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Des Moines, WA
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
#346 N
Des Moines, WA
I'M AT 102,000 MILES AND MY 82MINI HORSES KEEP PUSHIN LIKE STALLIONS... HEAVY ON THE STALL...LOL JUST KIDDING... NOW MY CAR HAS THAT LIL PUFF THING IN THE MORNING ALSO.. BUT IT GOES AWAY AFTER ABOUT 10 SECONDS... THE CAR STILL RUNS STRONG AND STILL GETS ME THERE.... BUT HEY I NEED SOMEONE TO DO SOME RESEARCH FOR ME AND GET ME SOME WEB SITES FOR KITS, ENGINES, INTERIOR, EXHAUST, ETC... PLEASE SEND ME LINKS TO : [email protected]
THE TOPIC SHOULD SAY: I EXCEL
THANK YOU
THE TOPIC SHOULD SAY: I EXCEL
THANK YOU
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Hey! Don't forget the carbed 68-hp 1468cc engine! 0-60 in 23.5 secs with 5-spd......at least I can beat a Mack truck??
I'm lookin' at a Mitsubishi 4G63 turbo transplant. Some guy did that to an 87 and it was disgustingly fast!! I rode with him and we draged a Mustang GT and that guy almost crapped in his pants!!
I'm lookin' at a Mitsubishi 4G63 turbo transplant. Some guy did that to an 87 and it was disgustingly fast!! I rode with him and we draged a Mustang GT and that guy almost crapped in his pants!!
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The 4G63 is the motor from a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo or a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T/GS-X.
It is basically a 2.0L engine from Mitsubishi turbo from the factory putting out ~215hp for the Eclipse motor.
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It is basically a 2.0L engine from Mitsubishi turbo from the factory putting out ~215hp for the Eclipse motor.
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I forgot what Hespala has in his X-1. I think it is a 4G63 also, and he has a turbo on it. He's lucky, his X-1 was the demo car for Australia before Hyundai started sending the excel there, so it has no Ca-Conv. He's also using like 16 or 17 inch wheels on it I forget. But its pretty fast. If I had the money that is what I'd do is stick that engine in my Excel, put the full Lancer turbo and gearing in. Find a gear box, maybe go Lancer also and stick Mitsu 4WD in. Alot have told me an eclipse 4WD will fit a Excel. If I got all that **** in then I'd definately compete in the SCCA Pro Rally Series and try to kick some Lancer butt!
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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Des Moines, WA
Timothy Zacher
1991 Excel Evo II Rally Project
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Des Moines, WA
where can i find the engine... i know i can't just go into any junk yard and find one... its a lancer for god sakes!!! .... let me know... i really wanna get going but i can't start my project until i do the main thing the first thing... the fast thing... engine baby engine... give me that horsepower lololol;
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Why don't you just buy a cheap 2.0L Sonata? Someone in the hyundai-owners.com owners gallery has a 1992 Sonata with a 2.0L and it has a turbo bottom with the stock heads fully ported to the max.
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Actually that Sonata has the 4G63 in it <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>.
As far as finding the motor, you'll want one from a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T. Hespala has a 4G61, which is the 1.6L variant of the 4G63 if I remember right. You can find the 4G61 out of a Turbo Colt and use that engine, which would fit A LOT better than it's 2.0L brother.
Either way, be prepared to spend some $$$ getting in and tuned correctly.
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As far as finding the motor, you'll want one from a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T. Hespala has a 4G61, which is the 1.6L variant of the 4G63 if I remember right. You can find the 4G61 out of a Turbo Colt and use that engine, which would fit A LOT better than it's 2.0L brother.
Either way, be prepared to spend some $$$ getting in and tuned correctly.
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