some downforce for the front would be nice...

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mtbiker124

Discussion Starter · Jul 23, 2006

Yea we all know a big wing will make your a$$ end stick, but what can we do for the front? Accents could definately use some extra higher speed stability (yea I drive fast, I don't need to hear it) I know it may take a few MPH off the top speed, but that doesn't matter anyway. I want that extra little bit to help me on the higher speed turns... What can we do?

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MechaniX_034

· #2 · Jul 23, 2006

A front lip, and a splitter+diffuser combo for starters. However, note that for turns where you have to slow down[ie. lift off the throttle or brake] downforce will drop at a rate square to the speed of the car.

accent0002

· #3 · Jul 23, 2006

something like this from wrc lip kit

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ftwvampftw

· #4 · Jul 23, 2006

I never had to use a 'front spoiler/diffuser' when doing autocross.. A car can only go so fast and turn..

Best mods for that:

Sticky Tires
Full True Coilovers
Strut bars (front and back)
Sway bars (front and back) might be over kill, but **** it.
Maybe a brushings kit.

How fast are you turning... and why? Too much fast and furious movies?

[Edited by ftwvampftw on Jul 23, 2006 2:58 PM]

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GregsterGSi

· #5 · Jul 23, 2006

wow is all i can say...

bh206

· #6 · Jul 23, 2006

a front spoiler is not effective until high speeds are reached(faster than you go).. same for the rear spoiler. and you will feel no difference from getting a lip kit.

everything vamp mentioned will help: swaybars aren't really over kill.. as the stock bars are like paper-clips. and there would be no purpose for any wings while doing autocross as the MAX speed is rarely close to 110km/h. (long before wings become effective)

ftwvampftw

· #7 · Jul 23, 2006

i looked at the pictures of his car.. and its not even lowered.. only rims and tires.. So yea, you might want to look into the mods I posted.. or be wrapped around a telephone pole.

mtbiker124

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jul 25, 2006

thank you bh206, MechaniX_034 and accent0002 for your polite reply... thats all i needed to know, much appreciated!

WytchDctr

· #9 · Jul 25, 2006

you might also want to look into upgrading those brakes. Fade owns an accent :dead:

mtbiker124

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jul 25, 2006

very true, i have some plans for the brakes... i just need time, i've barely had my car a year, and i'm not exactly on a caviar budget.

JohnDoe641

· #11 · Jul 26, 2006

Originally posted by ftwvampftw
[body]Sway bars (front and back) might be over kill, but **** it.[/body]

Is it advisable to just get the front sway bar? I've heard that with the rear bar it can cause the rear end to fishtail out more than usual. :c

ftwvampftw

· #12 · Jul 26, 2006

Originally posted by mtbiker124
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thank you bh206, MechaniX_034 and accent0002 for your polite reply... thats all i needed to know, much appreciated!
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You're welcome.. silly ricers.

Originally posted by JohnDoe641
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Originally posted by ftwvampftw
[body]Sway bars (front and back) might be over kill, but **** it.[/body]

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Is it advisable to just get the front sway bar? I've heard that with the rear bar it can cause the rear end to fishtail out more than usual. :c
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That is why i said it might be over kill. Rob had to take his rear sway off because it was just too stiff for Auto-X.

[Edited by ftwvampftw on Jul 25, 2006 11:16 PM]

Z_Spool

· #13 · Jul 26, 2006

Originally posted by JohnDoe641
[body]Is it advisable to just get the front sway bar? I've heard that with the rear bar it can cause the rear end to fishtail out more than usual. :c
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That's what the jimundous fiberglass wings are for.

mtbiker124

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jul 27, 2006

vamp, i asked a simple, easy to answer question, all you had to say was "you don't need it. accents generally arent fast enough to have a purpose for downforce, or fast enough to even generate it with any parts available." that would have been much better than being an asshole... and you said you saw a pic of my car, wheres the rice?

bh206

· #15 · Jul 27, 2006

i've never heard of anyone with an accent only getting the front sway bar. not sure how the handling would be.

on the contrary, i've heard of lots of people getting just the rear bar.

I have both bars waiting for me to put them on.

boob

· #16 · Jul 27, 2006

i'll put the rear one back to stock and see how she feels. when i got the swaybars i installed the rear one first and drove around for a few weeks without changing the front one. i didn't like it much.

Z_Spool

· #17 · Jul 27, 2006

Originally posted by accent0002
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something like this from wrc lip kit

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I'm thinking of putting this kit on my Accent (with some MAJOR fiberglass work so it's not as ricy, and the vents on the skirts & sides will be functional for brake cooling) with the addition of CF diffusers. But this is all secondary to the Suspension. You'll notice more of a difference from the suspension, but the added downforce is nice depending on how/where you race. I've never been into autoX nor do I plan on getting into it. (kinda feels like racing sluggish, poor handling go-karts to me) I run touges in my S13 and Accent, and both builds are planned with that in mind. Higher speeds and uneven terrain make need for more downforce. You've just got to build your car according to your needs. I just hope you realize the difference between the downforce you get from a wing and the downforce you'll get from a front diffuser, because the two are completely different, and therefore both must be tuned different. Just food for thought... but just remember... it's your car. Do what you want. (just don't expect respect if you do what others think is rice... but you don't mod your car for the respect of others, now do you?

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mtbiker124

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jul 28, 2006

good point Z, very well said also. i came from a long line of american 4x4s, suv and pickups, and an isuzu rodeo, so no need to worry about rice on my accent. i prefer products that work, unlike skyline GTR badges on something not.

ftwvampftw

· #19 · Jul 28, 2006

Originally posted by mtbiker124
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vamp, i asked a simple, easy to answer question, all you had to say was "you don't need it. accents generally arent fast enough to have a purpose for downforce, or fast enough to even generate it with any parts available." that would have been much better than being an asshole... and you said you saw a pic of my car, wheres the rice?
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I wasnt saying they arnt fast enough but, you still havnt answered my question. How fast are you going and WHY? Because if your are going down the freeway.. and trying to turn on an offramp..This is why I called you a ricer. You're asking about down force when you havnt even lowered your car yet or any of the other needed mods.

What kind of tires do you have on your rims? Or you have any other 'upgrades' besides rims? (that are performance orientated)?

I'm going to scan a SportCompactCar magazine issuse and post it about Aerodynamics when I get a chance to get my g/f off my laptop that would help you better understand what you need to stick your car to the pavement.

I'm not an asshole.. assclown maybe.. but not an asshole.

[Edited by ftwvampftw on Jul 27, 2006 6:41 PM]

Z_Spool

· #20 · Jul 28, 2006

Yaarr... just as long as yer not a butt-pirate, methinks everythings okay. gyahrr.

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