[BOR]

Looks like that fresh info has come to light about cpu and harness. Very well

TheGrim wrote that if you want to hold in x3 1.5 alpha gearbox, you need 2003 1.5 alpha clutch.
From that what i remember 1.8 & 2.0 beta are using PULL type of clutch.
1.5 alpha x3 is using PUSH type clutch.
Someone says (a long time ago) that 1.6 beta used in j2, rd1 and rd2 is using PUSH type clutch (and 1.6 beta is not avaible in USA or Canada).

It was said that solution to this is to use scoupe turbo clutch.
So my question is: scoupe turbo clutch, 1.6 beta clutch and 2003 1.5 alpha clutch ARE PULL TYPE, that's why you can use it to 1.8 or 2.0 beta? HMM?

Thanks for replies and greetings for all.

 

[spikie]

Originally posted by spikie
[body]
Ok let me straighten this out once and for all

TO USE THE ACCENT TRANNY YOU NEED:
*Beta Flywheel
*Scoupe turbo pressure plate
*Scoupe Turbo Clutch disc
*Stock Accent Release bearing (scope one is totally different.. )

the scoupe turbo presure plate and clutch disc fit it and bolt up to the beta flywheel.. use the stock accent bearing on the scoupe turbo one is different.. once this is all done it works fine! 8D

[/body]

do a search bro!

 

[BOR]

Ok Spikie. Thanks for make things clear, but...
I do a search, believe me, i am trying to watch the hybrid section for 3 years.
Thanks to You i know more precise about the scoupe turbo clutch as an option.
But THE GRIM had used a 2003y 1.5 alpha clutch and he wrote that everything is ok.

So is it means that 2003 1.5 alpha clutch or 1.6 beta (j2, rd1/rd2) clutch are an alternative to scoupe turbo clutch? No bearing problem then (at least 2003 clutch)?

Read my post fully Spikie ;D
Maybe i miss something, i am noob etc. BUT are those clutches PUSH type?
Please.

[Edited by BOR on Jan 11, 2006 4:00 AM]

 

[BOR]

Oh, Honda Killer is talking about using 1.6 (beta?) clutch from 2003 r.
So its 1.5 alpha 2003 or 1.6 beta 2003 clutch?
Is the 2003 accent 1.6 clutch the same as 1.6 clutch from j2, rd1/rd2?

 

[spikie]

The scoupe Turbo uses the same clutch as the J1 Elantra's (92-95) which is 8 1/2" in diameter... The alpha 1.6L clutch (will grim confirms works as well) is 8 7/16" which is just a tad smaller... so i guess it dosn't really matter which clutch you use... they both work... and i beleive they are all pull type.. which is opposite of the tibby...

 

[BOR]

99MINI said that scoupe turbo from 95 has different clutch that 93-94. That it's better to use from 95'. Spikie can you confirm that?
Is it a J1 from 1995' also using modified clutch?

I am working about summarize all the info we have gathered on this forum.

99 MINI QUOTE:
"i did a quick check on webtech. the turbo was available 1993 -95, but only the 95 model year shows a different clutch for the turbo, so i'd suggest ordering for the 95 parts"

 

[BOR]

I checked a webtech and I have found that only in 95' different clutch was mentioned.
To be precise:
95 scoupe clutch
N/A (non turbo i think): outside/inside 200/130 (7.9x5.1)
T/C (turbo charged i think) : outside/inside 215x145 (8.5x5.7)

I remeber that turbo was avaible in 93' and 94', but no mention about it in webtech.
So for sure we need 95' scoupe turbo clutch for swap.

95 lantra J1 clutch (1.6, 1.8):
outside/inside 215x140 (8.5x5.9)

98-00 lantra J2, 98-01 coupe rd1/rd2 (1.8, 2.0) clutch:
outside/inside 215 x 145 (8.5 x 5.7)

03 accent:
1.5 sohc : outside/inside 200 x 130
1.6 dohc : outside/inside 215 x 145

So it's look like to me that our ONLY ALTERNATIVES TO SWAP IS 95' SCOUPE TURBO OR 03' 1.6 DOHC ACCENT CLUTCH.

I am not technician, so tell me please, that j1 clutch with its small inside diameter it's suitable for swap? Is it have any connections with "Release bearing" ???

I couldn't find any info about j2/xd 1.6 beta clutch in webtech.

I wonder what are the differences between 1.6 dohc ALPHA and 1.6 dohc BETA clutches?...

I remeber that in white LC with 2.0 swap, oryginal 1.6 gearbox was used.

[Edited by BOR on Jan 15, 2006 7:46 AM]

[Edited by BOR on Jan 24, 2006 4:21 AM]

 

[spikie]

After doing a little research the scoupe turbo actually uses the same clutch at the 4g63 Non Turbo eclipse/talon

 

[M.A.K.E.]

Hey on my swap i uses the
*Beta Flywheel
*Mitsubishi Mirage act pressure plate
*Honda CRX 6puks bronze Clutch disc
*Stock Accent 98 Release bearing

 

[BOR]

Thanks M.A.K.E for info.

Spikie

Isn't lantra J1 using the same engine/gearbox as a Non Turbo eclipse/talon (4g63)??

If yes it means that it has clutch outside/inside 215x140 (8.5x5.9)
and we need outside/inside 215x145 (8.5x5.7) (RD1/2, J2,scoupe turbo).

Is this INSIDE DIAMETER important?

Or maybe this is a mistake in webtech...
- with 140 we got (5.9)
- with 145 we got (5.7)
SOMEBODY CORRECT ME PLEASE....

 

[LunchieTey]

I'll be using the 1.6 alpha clutch stage 1 from PSC. Fits the gearbox perfectly(is a legit and proven upgrade on 1.5's when fitted with 1.6 accent flywheel) and is more or less the same diameter as the Beta flywheel. No effect on clutch use while driving apparently.

 

[BOR]

Ok I find answer to my own question.
Beta gearboxes are PULL type,
Alpha I 1.3, 1.5 and II 1.5, 1.6 are PUSH type.

So during your (x3, lc) beta swap if you want to stay with alpha gearbox you need alpha clutches:
1. 1995 scoupe turbo clutch
or 2. 1.6 accent clutch

Forget about BETA clutches from 1.6, 1.8, 2.0. They will not fit unless you will heavy modified them. Forget about 1.5 alpha dohc clutch too (too small).

Mitsu engines/gearboxes
j1 1.5 lantra clutch - forget (too small, like in x3,lc/lc2 1.5 sohc/dohc)
j1 1.6, 1.8 clutch - WE DON'T KNOW YET (all we know is that it have smaller inside diameter, and may not fit.


[Edited by BOR on Jan 27, 2006 1:44 AM]

[Edited by BOR on Jan 27, 2006 1:48 AM]

 

[anthonyfa18]

this should be a sticky, it is a great help

 

[ryanolson]

what about the XD clutch disk? can it be used with beta flywheel and stock 1.6L pressure plate?

 

[BOR]

Hi ryanolson.

I dont know about XD clutch.
Do some research on Webtech and share with us.

 

[ryanolson]

well according to wytchdctr, the ACT clutch he put in his XD was for an 01 tib. so i am assuming the xd uses the same clutch as j2 and rd1/2.

 

[BOR]

That's great news. Good work!

 

[anthonyfa18]

this should be a sticky, it is a great help

 

[anthonyfa18]

Originally posted by spikie
[body]

Originally posted by spikie
[body]
Ok let me straighten this out once and for all

TO USE THE ACCENT TRANNY YOU NEED:
*Beta Flywheel
*Scoupe turbo pressure plate
*Scoupe Turbo Clutch disc
*Stock Accent Release bearing (scope one is totally different.. )

the scoupe turbo presure plate and clutch disc fit it and bolt up to the beta flywheel.. use the stock accent bearing on the scoupe turbo one is different.. once this is all done it works fine! 8D

[/body]

do a search bro!
[/body]

just want to know what year doues the Stock Accent Release bearing have to be, douse it madder if it is 1.5 or 1.6???

 

[BOR]

In X3 there was no 1.6 engine, it were only 1.3 and 1.5.

X3 - Stock Accent Release bearing from 1.5

In 1.6 LC you are beta combatible.