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Hi all,

I have been reading some of the questions and comments about the Turbo upgrades for Tibby's and other Hyundais.

I have built a Tiburon Turbo, the strongest in South Africa so far, we have made 210KW and 440NM at 0.5bar boost and will be looking to up the boost to 1.0bar soon. (14.7PSI) We are expecting over 350KW and 700NM plus.

I have photo's of the project in it's various stages, aswell as the individual components. If anyone has any questions or needs any advise on what to use or how to place the components, I will be more than willing to assist you.

Please could others that have also T/charged their Hyundais also share this so that I can perhaps learn more from you.

Please could you also inform me how to post a picture on this post, I can't seem to work this out....



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UFB, I have the pictures you sent to KORE, so I'll post them for you.

What internal mods have you done to build up the bottom-end of the engine?

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Hi Chris, I was just talking about you guys yesterday... Thanks for finally posting, I did reply to you, and I'm so sorry for the delay... I'm sure you will have many many questions regarding your tib... Rob has the 3 pics you sent me, this is his site, and he'll upload them and post them for you, if you have anymore pics of the car, please either send them to me, and/or Rob...

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Apline "claimed" to be making 375Kw with clives car, but they would not go into details as to WHAT they did. As they had problems getting mine to put out over 126 kw...I seriously doubted their claims of 375.

You state you have 210 kw and 440 nm now. That is roughly 281 HP and 324 Lb ft of torque. What mods have you done to get 281 hp and 324 ft lbs of torque out of 2 liters with only 7 psi of boost (.5 bar)????

How in the world you you plan on getting 350 kw (470 HP) and 700 Nm (516 Ft lbs) out of 2 liters with only 14 or 15 psi? That is roughly double what a "stock" beta 2.0L engine would get when turbocharged at the same pressure.

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Yes, I don't just know this claim is false, it simply is false and i would love to see the power chart that shows your power curve at approximately 7 pounds of boost. (which would have to have advanced readings)

Considering that a standard eclipse 2 litre turbo with a t25 at which only runs at 12psi makes 160kw AT THE MOTOR, you would have to be running advanced timing far over 25 degrees. Do you know the difference between power at the wheels and power at the motor? Your power indicates that you have more power than modified eclipse turbo owners that have been in the business for the last ten years. I'm sorry but your claims for power are bogus, but what makes it most unfortunate, is that you most probably have been given a bogus figure from the shop that has done your dyno tune.

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guys, supposedly, this guy is true...

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guys, supposedly, this guy is true...

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There are mods he could have done to the engine that would explain the figures, but they are fairly extensive, that's why I'm asking what's been done. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying it's not cheap!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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well, i agree, it is definitely possible with "extensive" mods....well however he did it, i want to know...i want my tib with that much power! well keep us posted here! and hearing numbers such as those, i only have one word to say DAMN<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
 

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Hi all,

Long time since I posted initially on this forum.
Sorry for the delay - here are the mods done to the Tibby in question.

T3/T4 hybrid Turbo running .63 housing with stage 3 wheel, and AR70 comp housing with 60-1 wheel. Aluminium plated bushes, 360degree thrust plate, spring loaded thrust support.

The Intercooler's core measures 750mm by 300mm by 70mm thick.

We are also running 83mm semi-forged pistons (no knocking when cold like the fully forged versions) and standard Con-Rods.

The maximum power obtained was 210Kw and 440NM at the flywheel running 0.5bar boost. The figures at the wheels are 175KW and 365NM.

The picture of the Turbo in use and all other development components and many pictures can be found here:- http://communities.msn.com/HyundaiTiburon/tiburonturboblackmonster.msnw

DSM-Sonata - Let me give you a small introduction to who we are - I'm sure you will have a different opinion after that! If you visit www.rsb.co.za or www.the-eliminator.com/rsb you will see our web page - we have been involved in professional group N and national racing for almost 8 years and hold the record at Kyalami - Formula 1 approved race track with the VW Polo Cup same make series, we won the championship 4 years in a row from 1996 - 1999 We also owned the race leading Uno Turbo in Group N racing until turbocharged cars were banned from Group N in 1997!

We specialize in Turbocharging street legal cars and building drag racing cars! We have produced a Fiat X19 with a 2.0 16V Turbocharged Mazda engine which produced 320KW at the wheels at 1.2bar boost - the 1/4 mile time was 9.89 seconds turbo alone!

We now manufacture the Tiburon Turbo Kits and are in the process of setting up export channels into the EU and US and should have Rob on board with us in January 2002!

Now getting back to your comment - if you are comparing a MINUTE T25 "turbocharger" to the T3 Hybrid, T3/T4 hybrids and T4 units we use... I then uinderstand where that comment of yours comes from <img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0>

This is also why our kits don't even come with an option for a small little turbocharger like the T25's at all! They are simply a waste of time, and in our opinion, anyone planning on using a little pump like that should rather not turbocharge his engine.

The smallest turbocharger that should be looked at with any 1800cc 8V or 16V and bigger engine, is at LEAST a T3 Super 60! That is if you wanna make decent power!

The Uno Turbo also seen on the pic link above runs a T3 Hybrid turbo from turbonetics, this makes 192KW at the wheel and 340NM or torque! The lag is very drivable and this car is use daily, as is my Tiburon!

Please feel free to comment and ask any questions related to lag, boost control, and the drivability of the Tiburon.

Rob - We have finality on the components included in the Kit and I will be mailing you shortly with there contents and options available for purchase.


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Does the Tib get a decent amount of traction with that much power? (Assuming you don't have an LSD) And would the transmission need to be upgraded? Also, are you using 4 injectors or an extra fith injector?

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Any idea/estimate on the price for the Tibby kits??

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The kit would need to run off 4 larger injectors and the management is fully sequential and not a piggy back, all tuning s/ware and interface cable is also supplied!

So far I have not needed to make any mods on the G/box, just added an extra 500ml of oil into her to help the cooling of the box under high power conditions. An LSD is always a good mod to do!

Pricing on these kits have not been finalized as yet - we are still working out a distributor and dealer channel.

Once the channels have been setup pricing will be disclosed right away.


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Tech has his finger crossed as this is the kit Hyundai tuners have been waiting for a long time. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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I noticed that you have only one fan cooling the engine. Is that fan a stock fan or have you upgraded it to a better one.


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Patriot,

That fan is the cooling fan, I removed the Air-Con fan (Air-Con still in place and fully functional) The reason for this is because of the abnormally large compressor housing used. With the T3/T4 hybrid kit - the compressor housing is slightly smaller than this (AR60 instead of AR70) and does not need the fan removal.


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UFB: Any news about selling the iChip alone? I'm still looking for a good but cheap boost dependant FMU but I'm stuck at the S-AFC....and I don't want to go necessarily with an all-out full blown system such as the Haltech, SDS, Motec and the likes... So ?


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UFB-

The Flex-a-lite 220 or 210 fits in place of the stocker fans.

The 210 comes with an AC relay and a theromostat to kick it off. Save your money and get the 220 without those.

You can wire the power for the AC fan right into the old AC wiring...ditto for the cooling fan.

I cheated and I have the AC fan running any time the car is on, and the cooling fan comes on only when needed. I did this to keep the turbo housing itself cooler by always blowing air across it. I also always keeps my coolant between 180 and 190 in normal driving. After agressive driving, the main cooling fan clicks on.

It works rather well, and it is under $200 US. It even comes in Colors! <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0> (I got red)



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Bjur -

if it is a Fuel management system you are after, then the I-chip is the wrong thing to go for bud. We are talking about a complete engine management system here - boost control, anti-lag, fully sequential injection, ignition control, runs off factory 60-2 teeth pick-up etc etc

I think what you would need if you are only after fuel management is something like the Turbo Fueler or Smart Tuner (also fully programmable mini-ECU's from the perfect power stable) I'm not quite sure what exactly you want to do, please clear this up for me and I will advise yuo accordingly. If it is a complete ECU you are after, then the I-chip is indeed able to provide you with what you need, but there are better and more advanced systems out there for about the same price.

Random - thanks for the info, I still have a problem though.... there aint any space for the fans. the only space available underthe hood is where the stock cooling fan is at present, and she works perfectly so far. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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UFB: Hey pal :)

I think what Bjurr wants greatly depends on the price. If the I-Chip is affordable and effective, it could certainly be an possibility.

Could you list all the fuel management and/or complete ECU replacement system you know of, along with their type (a/f management or ecu replacement) and guesstimated price? That way we would know what are our options. That would be very nice :)


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Hey there Argarwal,

I understand, the I-chip is the most recent system from the Perfect Power stable, but I wouln't sell this just yet as there are still minor S/ware updates and small additions being made. Probably why this aint added to their web site as yet.

They also manufacture a relatively good system called the MIC3 - this is the I-chips predecessor, and it doesn;t have all the bells and whistles like Anti-lag and boost control etc, but it is a complete stand alone system and it works well!

We have installed these onto almost anything with nice results! The only gripe I have with this system personally is that you need to make up your own pickup (hall, magnetic or optical) for the ECU to work! This for an enthusiast takes time and requires specialized tools and welding equipment that not everyone has at home to do the job properly! Also limited knowledge can make also lead to mistakes and .... well expensive mistakes.

The systems are very reasonable and the I-chip when finally released will set you back $650.00 excluding shipping (not more than $100.00 for shipping) and the MIC3 will set you back $485.00 excluding shipping (once again should not cost more than $100.00 to ship)

The kits are complete and include S/ware, harness, engine temp sensor, throttle position sensor (10K potentiometer - works very well!) Air temp sensor, complete and detailed (easy to read and undertand) instruction manual, ECU with MAP sensor built in (2.5bar absolute pressure - max of 1.7bar positive pressure) Can be requested for a higher pressure MAP sensor at no extra cost, bu not many people run such high boost applications.

Obviously because we have installed and tuned so many of these systems, we would be able to advise and assist the installation of the systems. I would even go as far as making up a pulley with magnetic pickups on them to ship with the kit. I would only charge for the cost of the pulley and not for the time or labour involved in making the pickups etc. That should set back most if not all the hassles of installing the MIC3 system!

Well I hope that helps




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