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I would Like to get outta my car about 150 - 200kw at the wheels in my excel gl.. how would this rate against other cars if i was to take it to street drags or races?
 

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yep, 200kw at the wheels will make you any street racers worst nightmare(forgive the pun i couldnt resist lol lol lol...)
most alphas strugle to get 150kw to the ground(thats a frigin lot) for 200kw you need a beta AND turbo. verry expensive, but if you got the cash, wow that would be a fun car...
100kw at the ground in an excel is quite suficient to put 99% of stock cars too shame.
i cant take you for a ride(might even let you drive if you are carful :D ) just yet, mecanic found another problem, looks like next monday now :( but i recon you will be satisfied with 100kw(more than double stock power)
of course it up to you and the sky is the limit if you got the cash :)
 

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Dead one, with 200Kw to the wheels and your power to weight ratio, if you manage to find traction, I would honestly need to launch at ungodly RPM's and risk my diff to keep with you from 0-60, and that is WITH 4WD. :dead:
 

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i did a lil research and am thinking that ill keep it at about 150 give or take a lil (probably give hehe) cos yer 200 or there abouts may just be a lil to much for now and with this car so yer 150 is good enought for me id still be most happy with that and dont really care about the other 50 ill be missing out on


now the question remains How would i go about getting my car to that stage/ what would i have to do?

[Edited by The_Dead_One on Sep 17, 2004 7:33 PM]
 

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for 150 kw, you will need arond 15G. 100kw will cost you less than 5 G if you spend it right. 10G is a lot for 50kw, id prolly just sell it and buy a skyline, but if you got the cash...
now for 150kw you are gona need:
full trbo kit(as discribed in another post)
stand alone computer(ecu or ems, all the same meaning)
REALY high boost(potentialy dangerus for stock internals) or/and
head work(ported and polished) and
bigger cams

that should get you to 150kw easy, but that be expensive... also reliability will suffer and the car will be off the road for a LONG time.
150kw IS A WEAPON. i think you should see what you are getting into before you spend a bunch of cash, come along on a cruise and see how the other turbo excels go with ~100kw at the wheels.
and if you are thinking about tv adds when you hear 100kw this and 200kw that, they are talking about power at the fly wheel. (on front wheel drives take about 30% off that. on all wheel drives take about 50% off) to get the power at the wheels(what we are talking about) for example, i think 100kw at the wheels in your car would beat or come close to a new holden sv6 because they loose power in the drive train (which thy fail to mention in the adds) so prolly have not that much more than 100kw at the wheels(this is totaly a geuss), and the car weighs a heap more than yours. this is called power to wight ratio. in short 100kw in an excel would be DEADLY
i recon you should definatly try befor you buy, and if you want mor power later(should you sudenly feel thew erge to beat a mitsu lancer evo IV ;): ), you can still upgrade...
 

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wired_one-so your an expert now, even tho you have no clue yourself and have posted some of the most rediculous topics and questions seen on the forum.Maybe you should take a back seat and let people who know what they are on about answer the serious questions.
 

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Hi Dead_One

Just out of interest, why do you want 150-200kw at the wheels for your Excel? did you pick teh figure becuase it sounded impressive, or do you have a goal in mind?

For an Excel weighing around 950kg, 100kw at the wheels (approx 150kw at the flywheel, or twice the factory power output) is about the limit to keeping your car streetable.

To get to 150-200 kw at the wheels (220-300kw at the flywheel) will basically mean your car is unable to be driven on the roads, and you will require a very specialised suspension, drivetrain and chassis setup to allow you to be able to put that amount of power to the track.

I have seen a Hyundai Coupe with around 180kw or so at the front wheels, and on full throttle traction is all but impossible in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears.

If you have a spare $20-30,000, and don't mind spending it on a dedicated drag Excel, feel free to give us a call and we can sit down and work out how fast you can afford to go.

cheers

Bretton
www.PerformanceStylingCente.com.au
 

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i've got a motorbike (motorbikes rule in my books) so my excel will be kinda a drag car in the end but this goal/project will take some time and im not really in a hurry to do so just yet i have other more important things to think about e.g wedding etc so yer it'll get there in the end i have plenty of time to get both the money and time to do it
 

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well if you want a drag car you are gona need that 200kw and more. look into a beta swap first, and try get a 2l one. for more than 200kw you will need turbo or intercooled supercharger, running high boost, heavy engine and drive train work, and nitrus. and then you might want to look into a all wheel drive conversion, coz with 200 kw there is NO chance of getting traction.
for comparison, the awd WRC accent(look it up on yahoo) has about 200kw AT the 2 litre turbo ENGINE. so more than 200kw at the WHEELS is gona be way more expensive... and can you imagine what they spent on that car? but if you realy want to do that, PLEASE invite me to DROOL over it when you are done. and if you do, i dont think there will be a car on the road that coul beat it...
 

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I personally think aiming for [email protected] for a street driven car is pretty silly in a FWD car unless your aiming for getting the fastest front wheel drive title or similar. If your were thinking about getting this much power with the stock alpha motors, be prepared for big headaches and spending a good 15-20K

The easiest option which i have seen done to get this much powerin the excel and still retain some sort if reliability and driveability is to change the motor to a mitsubishi 4g63t motor which will give a good working base to start with. With a larger turbo, exhaust, computer, fuel system and etc youll easilly be in the [email protected] power bracket. If you do decide to go ahead with this conversion/making power from this motor email DSM SONATA in the forums about it, he knows everything about the 4G63T.
 

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[body]well if you want a drag car you are gona need that 200kw and more[/body]
nuh 200 will do i kinda just want a mid range drag atm and something that can still be used on roads aswell.. maybe i want go the 200 as ive said b4 and just keep it around 150 give or take when i get my new ss ute i have already lined up to get it started on the 2500hp i have planed for it ( and yes it can be done for all u critic's victor bray's (victor bray = best ever drag racer :)) son has a vu ss ute at 2500hp) that will be my ultimate goal and if sorry when achieved it'll be one of the happest days of my life hehe

[Edited by The_Dead_One on Sep 19, 2004 12:08 AM]

if u read the 1st post i made in this topic is clearly says Street Drags or Races

[Edited by The_Dead_One on Sep 19, 2004 12:11 AM]
 

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Hi Wired_one

The Accent WRC is not a very good comparison for cost and power figures for a Hyundai engine. Under WRC regulations, the cars are limited to 2 litres and the turbo has to suck air through a 35mm (i think that's the right size) air resitictor, thus limiting the maximum power that these engines can produce. Because they have to work within these rules with the air restrictor in place, they have to spend quite alot of money to get to a 200kw figure at the flywheel.

To get 200kw from a 2 litre turbo engine without an air restrcitor is very easy - just look at the road going versions of the Subaru WRX STi and Mitsu Lancer Evo series.

To get a Beta engine from the standard 102-104 kw up to 200kw at the flywheel is a relatively simple task, easily down for less than $10,000. For an Alpha series engine allow about 50% more.

The other side of the go-fast equation is cheaper and easier to achieve than increasing power. Rather than lookign at more power, reduce the weight. For a serious drag car, look at stripping out the interiorof carpet, seats, spare wheels, sound deadening, replacing glass windows with persepx/lexan, etc, and spend $1-2,000 on suspension setup and good tyre and light wheels. Without an increase in power your car may be between 1-3 seconds faster down the quarter mile.

Cheers


Bretton
www.PerformanceStylingCentre.com.au

[Edited by bretton on Sep 19, 2004 12:14 AM]
 

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sorry aobut the confusion dood, you said 200 kw and i geuss i missed the street part. i thought you meant track... sorry.

and bretton,
i dont know about the air restrictor but i know you wont fit anything bigger than a beta in the excel and he said 200kw at the ground, not the fly wheel so i estimated $15000, in light of the new cercumstances, was i about right?? maybe a little over???

[Edited by wired_one on Sep 19, 2004 4:37 AM]
 

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hehe i was talking o my dad tonight and he told me that if i can go an find a sponsor for my "drag" car then he will by me another car to use as it and i can keep my excel i have now as a street machine or as wired_one said a street wepon at about 100kw at the wheels
 

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sorry to sound negative but why on earth would you want 150kw at the wheels in an excel, let alone 200.

Be prepared to replace most if not all of the driveline as well as all the other parts you will break along the way.

Be prepared to also fork out bucketloads of money to make it to that figure, and be prepared to sacrifice the reliabity and streetability of the car in order to reach those high power figures.

Have a good think about it before you set out on this mission, you might be better off just leaving the excel as it is and getting a 2nd hand WRX and having the same sort of power which will probably end up costing you less in the long run.

if you REALLY want to go fast, forget the excel, give S & R Pro at Penrith a call and get your bike turbo'd :p
 

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Originally posted by The_Dead_One
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wired_one said a street wepon at about 100kw at the wheels
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Umm..I dont think 100kw @ the wheels is a " Street Weapon". Bare in mind, you will no longer race *legally* car's like lancers, rollas,SSS's etc. You will more inclined to race Vtir's, skylines, rexy's, v8's etc. 100kw @ the wheels is a " nice " street car, its not ova the top yet it has good power to scare alot of cars. I don't think you can beat any new v8's (i.e VT SS), even tho..ppl might say power/weight ratio, the excel is better, but in theory, Yes thats tru, but in practical, it wont happen for the following reasons.
1) A V8, being rear wheel drive will Most of the time get a beter launch then you, thus meaning that he/she will proberly pull a car and a half lengh on u, maybe more
2) Once a v8 gets up n going, its going to be hard to catch it, espically if it has already a car lenght + on launch, reason being, is the amount of power it has plus torque of it, ur lil excel wont get it, even tho its has betta power to weight, your top end speed wudnt be as near as a v8 is.
So getting back to " street weapon" i think that isnt the case, i hope u dont have high hopes that ur car is goin to rip everythink on the road, jus remeba, a vtec civic,wif a exhaust, headers, cai, will beat u.
I'm not trying to be negative, but i think u have to hear the gud stuff as well as the not so gud stuff, but in the end, 100kw @ wheels will be a Nice street car and will scare a fair few ppl espically when they under estimate ur car. :evil:
 

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hi!
 

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hay Drift accent, been a while scince iv seen you post. your car looks different in your new avatar, is it? what have you done of late performance wise?
 

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[body]Bare in mind, you will no longer race *legally* car's like lancers, rollas,SSS's etc. You will more inclined to race Vtir's, skylines, rexy's, v8's etc. [/body]
what do u mean by this i am confussed :puzzled::puzzled:

[body]i hope u dont have high hopes that ur car is goin to rip everythink on the road[/body]
no dont have high hopes of this car doing that just beat most off the cars i come up against is all im looking for in this car ( you win some u lose some)
 
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