UFB - will you be producing a single turbo application for the V6 for cost purposes? or just the twin turbo?
if you need someone to be the first in North America for the single turbo let me know <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> (I'm serious, unless I beat you to it custom wise)
A single turbo setup on a V6 is just plain silly. Why would you bother? It would cost more in buggery and trickery to get an exhaust manifold to snake around the engine bay for a single turbo and then get LESS power and MORE lag in any case.
IMHO that is a bad idea. How many single turbo V8 kits do you see? 300ZX V6 is TT also for the same reason.
The 2.7L V6 would go nicely with a pair of Garrett GT25s. That should net you ~400HP of lag free goodness after the necessary internals are replaced. The GT25 is also quite small (given its flow capacity) and is well suited to the confines of FWD V6 engine bay.
I was talking to the guy that is willing to help with my setup. He was saying ya that most of the people running turbo setups upgrade the turbos and put a single on, therefore getting rid of the twins.
Again his examples were on the Supras which is an inline 6.
Looking though under the Tiburon (I can't seem to find the picture), if I remember correctly, it goes from the headers, straight into a single cat (don't quote me I don't have the picture here), then single piping from there to the spliter which heads out the duals.
So well the problem I heard too was there isn't enough room for a twin turbo setup according to Cheuk.
I don't think there are really any plans for a T66 turbo for example, but with a simple T4, and the larger V6, it MIGHT be ok??
Who knows, for me if it ain't enough at take off, as Red suggested, possibly a progressive N2O kit to get you up to full spool and then let the turbo take over. <img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0>
I'm not looking too much into a drag racer, just something to put the smack down. A 3,000 RPM launch once in a while ain't so bad either (well other then on the tires, clutch and other internals<img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0>)
I'm actually thinking about getting a new Tib 'cause I like the style, but I'll get a 4-cyl. so that I can build the motor and go turbo. I'd get the V6 if I was going to go with a supercharger.
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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>Damn a supercharger on the V6 GT...!?!
Whoever designs it, please take note...please go with a straight-runner setup and stay away from the centrifugal blowers...we dont need the plug changes to get any crazier than they already are. Imagine having to remove the SC to change the plugs...!
Any idea on who's developing it?
<hr width=60% noshade size=1 align=left>Power without the skill to control it is a dangerous thing...
My plan isn't so much to be the fastest car or nothing.
Just enough boost to run faster then lets say a V8 Mustang and then I will be happy.
I don't need that much more power as a daily driver, then that to be 100% honest.
So well I would say 280- 300 crank hp is all I want. Something not that easy to do N/A, and would cost too much for the 2.0L. So thats an increase of only 100-120hp over what it is currentally.
It is still below the 300whp (circa 350 crank hp) Cheuk you said is the top limit for the 2.7L.
Besides you said that the engine could handle 90shots of nitro with a new fuel pump. Now ok, I honestly am not sure. Whats the difference of a 90hp gain with turbo, and 90hp+ gain with 90shots of nitro? Cause I know pressure is what powers the turbo, and nitro is a bigger bang. Can you explain a bit, cause from like my point of view it should be no problem to get 100hp at the very least on stock internals as you said someone was running in Korea in the 2.5L.
The most power I have seen added to the V6's is around 75-80 hp with nitrous. Seems to do OK with it. No one has done a serious turbocharger or supercharger conversion... there have been some weak a*s attempts but nothing serious.
I think that you can EASILY spray 100HP worth of NITROUS into the new v6 tib.
i would STRONGLY suggest that you use a single fogger nozzle (WET KIT) on the intake tube before the throttle body.. also, upgrade the fuel system by adding an MSD inline fuel pump. that will be MORE THAN ENOUGH fuel flow to support the extra load while spraying the nitrous.. and it will also keep the engine from blowing up if you hit the limiter/redline the engine during a mis-shift or power shift...
as a general rule (my opinion) you can always add 50% more power to any stock engine without breaking anything IF THE FUEL FLOW IS ADEQUATE.. therefore, use the MSD inline pump.
so, 100HP is just a bit more than 50% over stock hp levels.. but thats not a big deal.. i have an 80HP wet kit on my BONE STOCK 1999 2.0L elantra automatic.
it works PERFECTLY.... if i went and bought myself a new v6 tib.. one week later i'd be spraying that thing all over town and i'll DEFINATELY be in the 13 sec 1/4 mile time with that much power on tap!
I think the point is, is that the engine itself is weak. Any major increase in pressure will make it go bust.
I have been trying to dig up the info on the changes to the Delta 2.7L that were posted by Autobot.
Like I more or less understand the fact that the pistons rods are gonna be needed to be changed. The thing is the block and the crank is whats said to have been made better then the Nissan V6's even when in comes to durability and a new technology used in the crank to make it with stand more power. Again all was posted in Autobots, about 3-4 monthes ago.
I think I will keep up with UFB and Balistic about this all, and see what they end up doing with the Tiburon V6 since they have plans on building a twin turbo setup. I think that they will give us a good indication of what this engine could do.
Not that I don't believe you Cheuk and I know Red posted too. But its all stuff coming out of Korea (ya ya I know they are the Hyundai Tuning capital of the world), but I truly belive this engine isn't as crappy as it seems.
If not then I will keep it for 3 years and N/A tune the hell out of it, throw in 90 shots and buy the Audi S4 or A4 1.8T that I had wanted to this time during my decision (well it was more an A4 then the S4).<img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>
I jsut want a 13 second car that is daily driven and most of its power from 3,000+ RPM being generated <img src=/images/forums/snitz/wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>
I have an accent GS with the 1.6 in it and i blew out the bottom half of the engine with a 100 shot (2nd engine with 9000 miles on the odometer). One of my friends said to only use at most a 90 shot on stock hyundais.
The Accent motor is an "Alpha", it is not the same as the "Delta" V6 in the 2003 Tiburon or the "Beta" four cylinder in previous models.
The Alphas are an ok block, but they aren't overly impressive stock. The Deltas are seriously weak...
The Beta blocks can deal with a LOT more abuse than either the Alpha or Delta. The 100% stock bottom-end (the entire motor minus the pistons) in the Tiburon and Elantra is good for 300 wheel horsepower. If you want more than 300 wheel, you'll need to upgrade to stronger rods, and then you're good for 650+ wheel horsepower. That's essentially it: pistons, rods. Of course, that's neglecting the fact that your stock transmission will never live even through 300 wheel horspower, nor your axles, and your stock ECU couldn't control it, etc.
Beta is THE motor to use for high horsepower. Alpha will suffice with more work... The Delta just isn't a strong enough platform.
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