turbo vs. NOS

1SickGS · Jul 19, 2001

Decisions, decisions. I'm no NOS or Turbo expert but I think my guesstimates are realistic. So lets do the math.

A Mcintyre 7psi turbocharger kit (last time I checked) costs around 4K installed. Under SEVERLY abused conditions (running full bootst all the time), you'll be lucky to get 10 to 15K miles of life or 75 to 100K of normal wear and tear service out of your turbo. Supposedly, this kit makes around 35 to 40 HP (a little hard to believe at 7psi) and can put you in the mid to high 15s

A 35 shot NOS kit should also put you somewhere in the mid to high 15s. For 4K, you should be able get a NOS kit installed and buy 100 10 lb bottle refills (approximately $35 per refill in my area). With a 35 shot of NOS, a 10 lb bottle is estimated to last approxmiately 4 to 5 minutes (right?). This amounts to approxmiately 20 quarter mile runs per bottle or 5 miles per bottle. Multiply that by 100 refills, you get a total of 500 miles.

Supposedly, the Mcintyre turbo kit will pass emissions in Texas and possibly in other states. A NOS kit won't pass smog anywhere. Both kits cause excessive wear and tear to your engine and both run the risk of detonation. With the turbo, your power will almost always be readily availble, with NOS, you'll have to constantly be aware of how much you have left.

If my guesstimates hold true, wouldn't you be getting more milage for your buck with a turbo? What do you guys think?

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Brendan · Jul 19, 2001

Humm where did you get this info? Yes nos CAN be abusive to a motor but if used correctly it will do no harm to it. a 35 shot ( from who? ) is nothing, a 55 shot and you can use it worry free on a stock motor for years, same with a turbo and 7 psi for 35-40 hp is normal on stock tibs.

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Turbowgn · Jul 21, 2001

Go Turbo and don't look back. The Turbo is always there, where as NOS you have to worry do I have enough. No worries like that with the Turbo.

But in the end it your choice I can only make suggestions.

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kromez · Jul 22, 2001

Why not just go with both NoS & Turbo???
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1SickGS · Jul 26, 2001

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To do so, you would probably need to upgrade the stock internals.

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jackhurdle · Jul 26, 2001

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To do so, you would probably need to upgrade the stock internals.

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TVOR · Aug 5, 2001

Well the N20 is also not always abusing your engine, those 500 plus miles will be whenever you decide to use it, versus abusing your engine constantly. but if you have the money and knowledge then go turbo, it's faster and more respectable in the long run.<img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Random · Aug 5, 2001

Using a turbo is not abusive to your engine if the turbo is installed right.

I suggest you pick up the Book "Maximum Boost" by Corkey Bell, or at least leaf through it at your local books store. It dispells a lot of "turbo" Myth with facts.

TURBO or NITROUS should be made more as a personal decision, not a which damages my engine less decision. Installed and used properly, neither will damage your engine.

ONPOL managed to get 100 HP To the wheels out of 10 PSI, what makes you think McIntrye cannot get 30 or 40 HP out of 7 PSI? I would guess more like 50 or 60 HP to the wheels for 7 PSI. Yamaneko is running 6 PSI on his supercharger and getting 45 HP to the wheels.

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Pussykatt · Aug 6, 2001

dude.... get both!!!!!!!!!

WytchDctr · Aug 29, 2001

I would go with the turbo. Less of a chance of you doing something stupid and screwing up your engine (if turbo set up right) and to avoid detonation go with an inercooler. Itll stop that problem before it starts and adds more power. If you burn NOS at wrong time you can screw up the engine and waste the N20.

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Shadohh · Aug 29, 2001

The mcintyre turbo is abusive to your engine since they inject methane into your fuel , which is veyr bad unless you like to rebuild your engine ever 8k like they do and dont tell since the methne eats away at your rubber seals ^^

normals turbos are not abusive.
the mcintyre turbo is $4k cause they use a super expensive IHI turbo.

and they are shady, dont expect any kinda good customer service from them, and dont pay them up front, and if they wont take halfnow and half later, dont bother with them.

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Random · Aug 29, 2001

Okay sparky[Shadohh}...It is Methanol...not METHANE! Methane does not eat rubber seals. Methanol is only slightly more harmful to rubber seals than ethanol..., which they put in some gas now, and is in most aftermarket octane boost products!

I think it's time we take you on a virtual trip through an engine as a tiny bit of methanol...starting at the methanol injector.

You by pass the stock injector and it's rubber seal, which is resistant to methanol, ethanol, and other gasoline additives. Sure after 100,000 some new rubber 0 rings won't hurt, but your meth injection isn't going to shorten their lift appreciably, or disturb them one bit.

Next to pass the Junction between the intake manifold and the head. No rubber here to worry about, just a nice metal gasket.. Pass through the intake valve guides and squeeze in-between the valve seat and the valve. Cool, lots of room in this combustion chamber with that piston traveling away from me. Hey...wait...it's coming back up...what hey, there's no room, everything is squished together, then "BAM" the spark plug lights off (gee, no rubber in that either!), and you burn in agony as it gets really hot and even more compressed, you push hard against the piston, trying to escape the flame front traveling towards you....you manage to push the piston down and escape the flame front...now the exhaust valve opens...and the piston forcibly ejects you and your burnt methanol and gasoline buddies out one of the two exhaust valves (no rubber seals there). You notice a blur of the junction between the head and the exhaust manifold, metal gasket there...no time to chew on anything anyway...you are now running down the inside of the exhaust manifold and you see some sharp spinning fan blades ahead of you...damn, those suckers are moving really fast! You get slammed into the blades of the turbine, and add some of your kinetic energy to it spinning it faster...(no rubber seals here inside the turbo)...and get forcibly ejected off the end of the turbine blades down the exhaust pipe. You pass through various junctions...catalytic converters...resonators...and mufflers.. With nary a bit of rubber in site. Finally you escape out to daylight...were you promptly get run over by the car behind...and in a fit of rage...chew on the rubber in his tires!

In closing. Unless you have rubber gaskets for the intake manifold/exhaust manifold, or turbo...or have rubber valves, rubber valve guides, rubber piston rings, or maybe rubber turbine blades...Methanol is going to do exactly Jack and **** to your engine, other than cool the intake air charge, and increase the octane rating of whatever fuel you are using.

They use IHI turbos because they make a QUALITY turbos.

If you have had personal dealings with McIntyre and their meth injection turbo kit, please post it in detail, but please do not spread misinformation.<img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Shadohh · Aug 29, 2001

Actually, I was not spreading disinformation, so I got the methane and methanol screwed up, but I did believe in the methanol being harmful, and actually, I still do.

And I did not say the IHI turbo was a bad quality or a good quality, I simply said it was expensive, and that is why their turbo kit is so high priced.

No reason for you to come off sounding like an ass everytime someone gets some information that they believe to be true is actually wrong.

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Random · Aug 29, 2001

The one of the points I was trying to make, that you missed entirely, is that even IF methanol was harmful to rubber, there is NO RUBBER in the path the methanol would take, thus no damage would occur.

Sure, if you sprayed methanol all over your engine compartment, it would start to slowly eat rubber and plastics...the same as normal gasoline would if you sprayed that all over your engine compartment.

Various different alochol blends have been used in normal gasoline for years. Ditto for octane boost products, fuel injector cleaner products...etc..etc..etc...

Using methanol injection will not require you to...
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That was another of the points I was trying to make, which again you missed entirely.

You obviously have a bone to pick with McIntyre, or someone has fed you with bad second party information.

Please...what rubber seals get affected my methanol that require you to rebuild your engine every 8000 miles?

What experience have you had with McIntrye and their turbo/meth injection system that has left you with such a bad opinon of them and their product?

Where did you get the 8000 mile figure from? McIntryre doesnt state this (as you pointed out).

You could do us all a service/favor and enlighten us to a bad product/service in the marketplace.

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Turbowgn · Aug 29, 2001

I am locking this topic since it's getting off the subject and turning into and arguement.

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