Alright I'm sick of this and it's starting to really make me mad. Time to lay it down for ALL to understand, as there seems to be quite a bit of information that's being kept hidden in the shadows.
For those of you thinking about buying the UFB kit, perhaps you should stop to think about the following:
We have had THREE previous options for super/turbocharger applications for the 2.0L engine before UFB.
One was Rimmer Engineering's supercharger kit. Rimmer is (eh, was) a well-known company with an OK background. They kit they produced worked in most cases, but used a very finicky fuel controller and several people experienced blown engines (Remember Shane from MHP? Also Chris from FXTreme) Others who ordered NEVER received the kits and had to fight for their money back.
Then we have Alpine, an unknown company from South America. These guys have no previos rep here in the states but suggested their kits are working "very well" on their cars.
The supercharger kit already appears to be a joke; 149WHP on an Elantra that already had bolt-ons? I can hit that with my N/A setup for a lot less headache. Then we have their turbo setup, which we ALSO know how it's going. Yay, a car that surges at constant speed, needed several retunings, detonates often, eats gas and still isn't making a lot of power yet.
Then we also had McIntyre's turbo setup (Dragon Fabrications) for a while. Even though it was "dealership sponsored" it still had almost ZERO market penetration. How many people got one of these kits? How many have you heard from? I only know of TWO kits out there, one in the twin-engine Tib and one in a Tib in Arizona. The guy in Arizona melted two pistons on his, so that leaves... Well, one kit remaining.
And now we have UFB (Ballistics Racing) from South America. Where could I possibly start with this?
Let's see... We have "guarantees" on a kit that has never shown any dyno results. We have a SINGLE GUY who is selling the kit who is also telling us how well it works on all the other cars. He keeps relaying how well these kits work on HIS car, although his car is using "significantly different" hardware than what the kit actually comes with.
Now we have him backtracking on power estimates (300 wheel horsepower, 300 crank horsepower, 280 crank horsepower, 200 wheel horsepower) as time goes on. Then we have him talking about prices going way up (I remember talk of this kit going for $2400 or thereabouts) Then we have him talking about easily programmable ECU upgrades plugging into the stock harness... Then needing it's own rewire job... Then being easily programmable and being fully sufficient for crazy power ALTHOUGH he doesn't want to use it on his own car.
Ok guys, here's the deal.
Anyone who has known me from FXTreme knows that I have a relatively short fuse, but that I'm always intent on making sure YOU GUYS don't get screwed. Anyone who has known Cheuk for any length of time also knows that he has ABSOLUTELY ZERO vested interested in Hyundais in general because he doesn't even own one, yet he provides a significant amount of information because he's surrounded by the racing development scene in Korea.
Something is seriously wrong with the advertising on this kit. Sure the parts list looks good; I suppose for $4000 it ought to. Normal "Joe User" isn't going to be able to install this equipment, no matter what you'd like to believe. You can supply videos, you can supply books and pictures, but you CANNOT supply experience. You also cannot supply the large quantity of specialized tools needed to pull this stunt.
If the kits produce 200WHP, then it's beliveable. If they're making 280HP at the crank, then it's possible... If they're making around 300HP at the tires EVEN ON NEW PISTONS, it's getting VERY questionable. There is too much involved to just slam out 300WHP.
If it were that simple, I'd already be there.
This isn't to say that UFB is evil and you shouldn't buy the kit, this is to make EVERYONE AWARE that it's not as easy as it seems. Hyundai has a relatively small aftermarket here in the States, and younger people seeking all those cool "Madd HorsepowaH" claims they see in the magazines sometimes become a bit too willing to believe your claims.
If you can claim 300WHP on your kit with any Joe Normal person installing it, I call severe amounts of BS. Not happening. Even if a reputable shop installed the kit and picked up 250WHP from it I'd be impressed, but even that has yet to be seen.
I want to remind everyone, we're dealing with a "prototype kit" that has never EVER been tested in the USA and has provided absolutely zero dynosheet documentation or other self-sustaining evidence of it's existance or power capability.
I suggested we use THIS thread for such continuing discussions, as I feel that "Joe Normal" Hyundai owner probably wasn't reading far enough down the last few posts to see all the potential problems...
-Red-
For those of you thinking about buying the UFB kit, perhaps you should stop to think about the following:
We have had THREE previous options for super/turbocharger applications for the 2.0L engine before UFB.
One was Rimmer Engineering's supercharger kit. Rimmer is (eh, was) a well-known company with an OK background. They kit they produced worked in most cases, but used a very finicky fuel controller and several people experienced blown engines (Remember Shane from MHP? Also Chris from FXTreme) Others who ordered NEVER received the kits and had to fight for their money back.
Then we have Alpine, an unknown company from South America. These guys have no previos rep here in the states but suggested their kits are working "very well" on their cars.
The supercharger kit already appears to be a joke; 149WHP on an Elantra that already had bolt-ons? I can hit that with my N/A setup for a lot less headache. Then we have their turbo setup, which we ALSO know how it's going. Yay, a car that surges at constant speed, needed several retunings, detonates often, eats gas and still isn't making a lot of power yet.
Then we also had McIntyre's turbo setup (Dragon Fabrications) for a while. Even though it was "dealership sponsored" it still had almost ZERO market penetration. How many people got one of these kits? How many have you heard from? I only know of TWO kits out there, one in the twin-engine Tib and one in a Tib in Arizona. The guy in Arizona melted two pistons on his, so that leaves... Well, one kit remaining.
And now we have UFB (Ballistics Racing) from South America. Where could I possibly start with this?
Let's see... We have "guarantees" on a kit that has never shown any dyno results. We have a SINGLE GUY who is selling the kit who is also telling us how well it works on all the other cars. He keeps relaying how well these kits work on HIS car, although his car is using "significantly different" hardware than what the kit actually comes with.
Now we have him backtracking on power estimates (300 wheel horsepower, 300 crank horsepower, 280 crank horsepower, 200 wheel horsepower) as time goes on. Then we have him talking about prices going way up (I remember talk of this kit going for $2400 or thereabouts) Then we have him talking about easily programmable ECU upgrades plugging into the stock harness... Then needing it's own rewire job... Then being easily programmable and being fully sufficient for crazy power ALTHOUGH he doesn't want to use it on his own car.
Ok guys, here's the deal.
Anyone who has known me from FXTreme knows that I have a relatively short fuse, but that I'm always intent on making sure YOU GUYS don't get screwed. Anyone who has known Cheuk for any length of time also knows that he has ABSOLUTELY ZERO vested interested in Hyundais in general because he doesn't even own one, yet he provides a significant amount of information because he's surrounded by the racing development scene in Korea.
Something is seriously wrong with the advertising on this kit. Sure the parts list looks good; I suppose for $4000 it ought to. Normal "Joe User" isn't going to be able to install this equipment, no matter what you'd like to believe. You can supply videos, you can supply books and pictures, but you CANNOT supply experience. You also cannot supply the large quantity of specialized tools needed to pull this stunt.
If the kits produce 200WHP, then it's beliveable. If they're making 280HP at the crank, then it's possible... If they're making around 300HP at the tires EVEN ON NEW PISTONS, it's getting VERY questionable. There is too much involved to just slam out 300WHP.
If it were that simple, I'd already be there.
This isn't to say that UFB is evil and you shouldn't buy the kit, this is to make EVERYONE AWARE that it's not as easy as it seems. Hyundai has a relatively small aftermarket here in the States, and younger people seeking all those cool "Madd HorsepowaH" claims they see in the magazines sometimes become a bit too willing to believe your claims.
If you can claim 300WHP on your kit with any Joe Normal person installing it, I call severe amounts of BS. Not happening. Even if a reputable shop installed the kit and picked up 250WHP from it I'd be impressed, but even that has yet to be seen.
I want to remind everyone, we're dealing with a "prototype kit" that has never EVER been tested in the USA and has provided absolutely zero dynosheet documentation or other self-sustaining evidence of it's existance or power capability.
I suggested we use THIS thread for such continuing discussions, as I feel that "Joe Normal" Hyundai owner probably wasn't reading far enough down the last few posts to see all the potential problems...
-Red-
And Red can get paid GOBS of money to fly all over the US and fix all the kits for everyone at robs expense 
