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Alright, since we havn't had a post for a while I am going to create a short poll? How many of you use heel and toe in your daily driving? I know I do

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Read about it and tried it but don't really use it. So I guess that means not me.

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I don't understand the question, Heel and toe? I have a manual, we have no time for heals and toes, what do you mean?

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Use nothing but heal toe shifting and double clutching!

I tend to be an aggressive driver and this is the greatest way to keep my car under my control.

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personally I don't see the advantage of double clutching, what is it? I know with the older trannys from old race cars it was necessary for the synchros but what is the advantage of it with our cars?

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Older transmissions (race or street) didn't have synchros, hence the purpose of double clutching. Now adays with synchro trannys you don't have to do it...but it does save where and tear on the synchro gear. That's the short answer. let me see if I can dig up a good link....
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This is by far the best article on double clutching I have ever found:


http://www.g-speed.com/pbh/double-clutch.html

And for some explanations on transmissions:

http://www.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm

Enjoy.

And I double clutch for fun sometimes, it can result in a smoother downshift when done properly...but generally don't have time to mess with it at the track. As for heel toe, the way I drive it ends up upsetting the balance of the car so I usually come off the brake, blip the throttle, downshift, back on the brake. But that's just me. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
 

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yeah, I heel and toe daily, but not on every downshift.

Double clutching? There is no need of that, yer wasting the clutch and throw out bearing.

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Double clutching can be handy when trying to go into 1st gear during trafficjams. I can't get 1st gear engaged above 10mph without doubleclutching.

As for heel-toe: I can't do it with my feet and the stock pedals<img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle><img src=/images/forums/snitz/angry.gif width=15 height=15 border=0 align=middle> Don't know why.. Maybe with some aftermarket pedals that are a little differently shaped it will work..


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Me and simp are on the same wave length. I only double clutch when going down into 1st gear, for some odd reason it lets you do it at a higher speed that way.

And I know how to heel-toe but I dont find much use for it while driving my Tib. Firstly because I just don't need it much in my daily driveing and secondly because its so much easier to do with after market pedals, its such a pain to do it with the stock pedals it almost hardly worth it.


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I dont' need to double clutch for into 1st downshifts. And teh stock pedals in my Elantra are set up quite well for heel and toe shifting....

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I don't <b>need</b> to double clutch down into first, but like I said it does help when I want to do it at like 20+ mph or so.


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I always heel toe... I do it now without even thinking about it. It makes the downshifts MUCH smoother. Plus it helps show off aftermarket exhausts.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>
I don't heel toe into first because there isn't much point.


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I used to practice heel & toe, but never found it that useful for everyday driving. I blip the throttle to rev-match and down-shift
sometimes. I'll blip passing thru neutral from 4th
to 2nd as I enter some turns or twisties...no brake or course, very
smooth if done right. Mostly I brake before the turn...thats what they're for. Don't really double-clutch, just rev-match.


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I don't <b>need</b> to double clutch down into first, but like I said it does help when I want to do it at like 20+ mph or so.
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I gotcha - I've never downshifted to first above 15kph let alone 20mph; I can see teh nessesity under those circumstances.

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Yeah, as one person said. Double clutching is a waste. Its an old school method for cars that don't have a working synchromesh which can be beneficial. With todays newer cars that have a working synchromesh, double clutching puts extra wear on the clutch.
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Hmmm... Trail braking, in every day driving I almost never do it, but I would love to do it more often. the problem are around here there are not many places were this technique can be performed safely, which brings me to say that even if I was out one the road at 3am and I didn't see a soul on the road I still wouldn't do it because you just never know what is around that corner and even if I did I don't like the idea of pushing my car, brakes and tires to the very limit on a public street. If people think street racing is dangerous the haven't tried trail braking. No I think this technique is Auto X only, if you just have to have some over steer just perform an ass drag drift at half the speed with the E-brake you can get mostly the same results at a fraction of the risk. Just my $.02<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/uhh.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> trailing brake? Anyone wanna lecture me?


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So I don't personally have to go into great detail about trail braking I will in insert a link in to this post about it.
http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk
When you get on the site click on: Techniques, then click on AWD, and then Trail braking and it will give you a pretty accurate description on what it is used for and how it is performed. Yes it is under AWD but this technique can be used in FWD cars also, the gentleman that runs the site has just not posted it under FWD yet. Its a pretty tight site it has a lot of great descriptions on how to pull off various maneuvers. I hope this helps Mouse.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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