Ok, this may be the wrong question to ask, but.... why the Honda hatred? I don't get it. Honda is the pioneer of the Pacific Rim domination of the car world. Or am I reading everything wrong and it's just the dislike of the stereotypical baboon that thinks his Civic is the king of the street? Engineering wise, Honda is one of the best and the Civic is a very capable car. I am thinking it's not the Hondas or Toyotas we should be despising, but the piece of junk American cars. Teach the Cavaliers a lesson or for those of you with really hopped up Tibs, the Camaros and Mustangs. Teach these American ugly cars that "Technology is the only substitute for cubic inches."