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I have beaten a Si Vtec Yes one of the newer models, I do not have a track time I didnt want one tell I got my turbocharger installed and running around 15 psi. My car can be seen in the showroom under Lantra's 1997 Elantra. Lets start with what I did to give my car a nice edge. I striped my interior, no AC no Heater No ac compressor, no sterio no nothing. I also removed my speed limiter enabling me to hit 140+ mph My top speed is 142mph in a 1.8 L motor redline. I have a New throttle, Custom intake before our mafs sensor and a CAI (aos) after it. I have also a 2.5 catback after my catlitic converter with a dtm muffler.I do not elaborate on my wins I will admit that I cannot beat a type R with these current mods only if he she was a shitty driver. Hyundais are great cars indeed but there are cars that are faster.
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When I had my Tib i have beaten several newer model Si's. The car was Naturally Aspirated and only had an air intake (not cold air)
It will be close and it also depends on the driver.
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It will be close and it also depends on the driver.
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why do you call them si vtecs? they are known as the "honda civic si" or si, just like a "hyundai accent gl", not a "gl sohc". si is just a badge signifying that it has a b16a engine in it, like a civic ex has that badge to signify it has a b16b engine in it.
and i also like what youve done to youre car, even though id have to see it go 142mph, before id believe it. the numbers just dont add up. but im not really calling bs, because you got some mods.
I drive a 1997 Kia Sephia with 75,000 miles on it.
and i also like what youve done to youre car, even though id have to see it go 142mph, before id believe it. the numbers just dont add up. but im not really calling bs, because you got some mods.
I drive a 1997 Kia Sephia with 75,000 miles on it.
Ive been in the car Ive steped on the gas Ive seen the speedo hit 140+ if you dont believe me that is not my problem
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They're calling them an "Si VTEC" because Honda has successfully bastardized the "Si" name by calling everything they make except the CR-V an "Si" at one time or another <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.
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I beat the hell out of a few intergas and i beat a civ Si, a 99.
I think many people have beat them and i think you a playa hate-a cause you cant drive so you all pissed off and acting like a little child saying everyone is lieing and ****
Good times with good friends in hyundais...
I think many people have beat them and i think you a playa hate-a cause you cant drive so you all pissed off and acting like a little child saying everyone is lieing and ****
Good times with good friends in hyundais...
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why do you call them si vtecs? they are known as the "honda civic si" or si, just like a "hyundai accent gl", not a "gl sohc". si is just a badge signifying that it has a b16a engine in it, like a civic ex has that badge to signify it has a b16b engine in it.
and i also like what youve done to youre car, even though id have to see it go 142mph, before id believe it. the numbers just dont add up. but im not really calling bs, because you got some mods.
I drive a 1997 Kia Sephia with 75,000 miles on it.
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A 1996-2000 Civic EX has a D16Y8 engine. The B16B is the JDM Civic Type R engine. A SI with bolt ons can run high 14's easily
SI means Sport Injection, which means that it's not supposed to be neck-snapping fast
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why do you call them si vtecs? they are known as the "honda civic si" or si, just like a "hyundai accent gl", not a "gl sohc". si is just a badge signifying that it has a b16a engine in it, like a civic ex has that badge to signify it has a b16b engine in it.
and i also like what youve done to youre car, even though id have to see it go 142mph, before id believe it. the numbers just dont add up. but im not really calling bs, because you got some mods.
I drive a 1997 Kia Sephia with 75,000 miles on it.
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A 1996-2000 Civic EX has a D16Y8 engine. The B16B is the JDM Civic Type R engine. A SI with bolt ons can run high 14's easily
SI means Sport Injection, which means that it's not supposed to be neck-snapping fast
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A few minutes ago, I was sitting at a red light minding my own business when a blue Civic pulled up and over shot the crosswalk. Another idiot driver with a Civic, I'm thinking. While he's backing up, I noticed the famed SI badge.
You know how all civics look alike. So I'm not 100% sure its actually an SI. He's glaring over at me and gives me the nod. Light turns green, I say a little prayer (it went something like, I hope neither of us burn in a firey crash!) and launch my car in a blur of tire burnin smoke.
Off the line, we're about head to head. I shift into second as he's starting to pull out ahead. Into third, he's getting a farther away. That is, until I hit the little happy button on my steering wheel!
A second later, he's seeing pretty little blue flashers. Then fireworks explode in the sky and Bay Watch babes circle my car. Then I wake up, take a piss and post my dream on this thread here<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>
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You know how all civics look alike. So I'm not 100% sure its actually an SI. He's glaring over at me and gives me the nod. Light turns green, I say a little prayer (it went something like, I hope neither of us burn in a firey crash!) and launch my car in a blur of tire burnin smoke.
Off the line, we're about head to head. I shift into second as he's starting to pull out ahead. Into third, he's getting a farther away. That is, until I hit the little happy button on my steering wheel!
A second later, he's seeing pretty little blue flashers. Then fireworks explode in the sky and Bay Watch babes circle my car. Then I wake up, take a piss and post my dream on this thread here<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>
I run a whoop-ass 17.2!
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A few minutes ago, I was sitting at a red light minding my own business when a blue Civic pulled up and over shot the crosswalk. Another idiot driver with a Civic, I'm thinking. While he's backing up, I noticed the famed SI badge.
You know how all civics look alike. So I'm not 100% sure its actually an SI. He's glaring over at me and gives me the nod. Light turns green, I say a little prayer (it went something like, I hope neither of us burn in a firey crash!) and launch my car in a blur of tire burnin smoke.
Off the line, we're about head to head. I shift into second as he's starting to pull out ahead. Into third, he's getting a farther away. That is, until I hit the little happy button on my steering wheel!
A second later, he's seeing pretty little blue flashers. Then fireworks explode in the sky and Bay Watch babes circle my car. Then I wake up, take a piss and post my dream on this thread here<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>
I run a whoop-ass 17.2!
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HeHe, that's actually funny. Nice to see that someone on this board actually has a sense of humor.
Differences from an SI and other trims (mind you, any Civic can look like an SI except when you pop the hood)
SI has:
-factory paint matched side skirts
-factory paint matched front lip
-mesh in upper front grill
-"DOHC VTEC" stickers on each side
-"SI" badge on lower right of rear trunk
-15" 7(?) spoke wheels
other nit picky things ...
-different patterns on seats
-holes in headrests
-carbon look gauge cluster with SI badge
-leather steering wheel
-leather shift knob
-B16a2 DOHC VTEC engine
-front strut bar
-rear 13mm sway bar
-stiffer springs
-available in Milano Red, Electron Blue Pearl, and Flamenco Black Pearl
I think that's it ...
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A few minutes ago, I was sitting at a red light minding my own business when a blue Civic pulled up and over shot the crosswalk. Another idiot driver with a Civic, I'm thinking. While he's backing up, I noticed the famed SI badge.
You know how all civics look alike. So I'm not 100% sure its actually an SI. He's glaring over at me and gives me the nod. Light turns green, I say a little prayer (it went something like, I hope neither of us burn in a firey crash!) and launch my car in a blur of tire burnin smoke.
Off the line, we're about head to head. I shift into second as he's starting to pull out ahead. Into third, he's getting a farther away. That is, until I hit the little happy button on my steering wheel!
A second later, he's seeing pretty little blue flashers. Then fireworks explode in the sky and Bay Watch babes circle my car. Then I wake up, take a piss and post my dream on this thread here<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>
I run a whoop-ass 17.2!
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HeHe, that's actually funny. Nice to see that someone on this board actually has a sense of humor.
Differences from an SI and other trims (mind you, any Civic can look like an SI except when you pop the hood)
SI has:
-factory paint matched side skirts
-factory paint matched front lip
-mesh in upper front grill
-"DOHC VTEC" stickers on each side
-"SI" badge on lower right of rear trunk
-15" 7(?) spoke wheels
other nit picky things ...
-different patterns on seats
-holes in headrests
-carbon look gauge cluster with SI badge
-leather steering wheel
-leather shift knob
-B16a2 DOHC VTEC engine
-front strut bar
-rear 13mm sway bar
-stiffer springs
-available in Milano Red, Electron Blue Pearl, and Flamenco Black Pearl
I think that's it ...
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all you guys talk too much and dont share enough info to let other hyundai drivers advance. That is why honda si vtech's, what ever, are beating most tibs and elantras.
Lets all cooperate and figure out ways to beat "stock: SI's" first. Then we can go after those 200hp+ Si's runniny NOS and BOOST of some kind.
Peace, i drive a tib.
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Lets all cooperate and figure out ways to beat "stock: SI's" first. Then we can go after those 200hp+ Si's runniny NOS and BOOST of some kind.
Peace, i drive a tib.
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all you guys talk too much and dont share enough info to let other hyundai drivers advance. That is why honda si vtech's, what ever, are beating most tibs and elantras.
Lets all cooperate and figure out ways to beat "stock: SI's" first. Then we can go after those 200hp+ Si's runniny NOS and BOOST of some kind.
Peace, i drive a tib.
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Finally, there is someone on here that isn't so ignorant to think that Hyundai's are the best since sliced bread. Honda's are not either but a SI is rather quick for it's 1.6 liters.
SI points for you to ponder:
-lack of torque ... 111 peak
-VTEC "kicks" in at 5500rpm
-160bhp, about 130-135whp
An SI can run low 15's to high 15's depending on factors of the track, day, etc etc. An SI drops out of VTEC in the 1-2 shift, but stays in VTEC in the 2-3 shift
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all you guys talk too much and dont share enough info to let other hyundai drivers advance. That is why honda si vtech's, what ever, are beating most tibs and elantras.
Lets all cooperate and figure out ways to beat "stock: SI's" first. Then we can go after those 200hp+ Si's runniny NOS and BOOST of some kind.
Peace, i drive a tib.
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Finally, there is someone on here that isn't so ignorant to think that Hyundai's are the best since sliced bread. Honda's are not either but a SI is rather quick for it's 1.6 liters.
SI points for you to ponder:
-lack of torque ... 111 peak
-VTEC "kicks" in at 5500rpm
-160bhp, about 130-135whp
An SI can run low 15's to high 15's depending on factors of the track, day, etc etc. An SI drops out of VTEC in the 1-2 shift, but stays in VTEC in the 2-3 shift
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most and ill repeat MOST Si drivers TEND to be young kids who got the car as a gift and have mildly modded it. MOST Si drivers are rice. i like to call them expensive rich. because your payin 18 grand for a high 15 second car. the REAL civics your guys should be leakin for to play with would be the RARE Hybrids POSSIBLY running around under your nose in a town near you. if you guys say my car id doubt your take a second look. besides the si grill, and 14" HX rims the car is BONE STOCK to the un-tamed eye. it even sits at stock height. but ive got a list of mods so long that itd take just as long to read it as itd take 3 or 4 Accents to run the quarter. "2-3 mins combined<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>" anyways its whats under the hood that counts, not the badging on the car. most REAL honda enthusiast/tuners stay WAY away from the Si due to their Tank-like weight, McLaren like price tag, and their non sleeper badging.
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personally i think that the si is overrated in many aspects. but people on this board do think that hyundais are god's gifts to automobiles, just b/c they are underrated. personally i can run 17's all day but i can also admit that i hate my car <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> and i can honestly say i'm never buying another hyundai. the car is very reliable but it just insanely underpowered. my next project car which will be started next year would be one to impress maztur and illusivic since you both seem to know your stuff, and i respect that alot <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
also everyone talks about turbo si's and what not being fast and turboing a dx, ex, lx, hx is retarded. well just to inform you, you would be better off turboing a non-vtec honda than you would be turboing one with it. the first reason was mentioned and thats price. the second reason is b/c turbo's don't work well with variable valve timing. my friend was going to put a gsr in his car but after he talked to a few shops we found that dropping in a ls motor would work more to his advantage with the mods he has in mind.
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also everyone talks about turbo si's and what not being fast and turboing a dx, ex, lx, hx is retarded. well just to inform you, you would be better off turboing a non-vtec honda than you would be turboing one with it. the first reason was mentioned and thats price. the second reason is b/c turbo's don't work well with variable valve timing. my friend was going to put a gsr in his car but after he talked to a few shops we found that dropping in a ls motor would work more to his advantage with the mods he has in mind.
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Does anyone really know what Vtec is? From what i understand its an expanding camshaft and the ingnition system changes to increase torque/hp as the engine revs.. kinda matchs the spark power/speed of ignition for what the engines doing. Am i wrong or right. I heard about the expanding camshaft long before Vtec was out.. honda was working on one.. i figured thats were they put it. Made to make a car ecno/performance. I am almost sure about the ingnition thing. I know a former 4cly racer who told me there cars used an ignition system simular to that of the Vtec. BTW he also told me those fools who put big systems in there cars are stupid. The variable timeing systems need alot of power to operate effectivly. When you strain the system you take power from it and will all but lose the Variable ignition systems. They ran with generators on the drive shafts to make sure they wouldn't lose power and keep there igniton running right. Also honda not the only ones with it.. toyoyta has VVTI (i think.. something like that) and Nissan has CCVI (also.. not really sure about that acronym.. but it does start with a c) just incase anyone thought honda was the only one useing those systems. Now hyundai needs it... i think. HVTC (Hyundai Variable Timieng Controller) haha...
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05' Accent 2.0 HVTC Turbo (Please?)
BTW mine will be payed off in 2005.
BTW i know its Variable Timeing Electronic Controller. As i understand it the variable "timeing" is caused buy the expansion of the cam shaft.
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BTW mine will be payed off in 2005.
BTW i know its Variable Timeing Electronic Controller. As i understand it the variable "timeing" is caused buy the expansion of the cam shaft.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>VTEC is actually a generic name for several different systems within the Honda engine lineup. You have the SOHC VTEC which operates only on the intake valves, the DOHC VTEC which operates on both, and in other countries there is a three stage VTEC system which I believe only comes on DOHC cars (130 hp from 1.5 liters and excellent mileage is the example I'm familiar with).
The principle of all the VTEC systems is the ability to change cam profiles at a given point within the rpm range. This allows a cam which will easily idle and pass emissions for everyday driving, but provides an extra kick on the top end (it can also be used to improve economy or low end torque).
This change in cam profiles is accomplished through the use of a solenoid and oil pressure. At a given rpm, oil pressure is allowed to lock together the normal cam followers and a third follower. This third follower is actuated (normally) by a higher lift and duration cam lobe and is supported be a lost motion assembly. When the followers lock together, the two valves being controlled are following the exact same profile (most DOHC motors have a slightly different profile for each valve to improve swirl and combustion).
The implementation is much more complex in the SOHC system because of the need for a very complex actuator system to get around the limitations of a single cam to actuate 4 valves per cylinder.
The actuation of the system does indeed follow a hysterisis loop and the actuation point is variable based upon load and throttle position. Without the hysterisis loop, you would have a certain point where the system would rapidly cycle in and out, causing problems.
The three stage system actually actuates only one valve at low rpm, both valves at mid rpms and then switches to a high lift lobe on the top end. Sounds complex, but the implementation is actually elegantly simple.
To sum up, there are no additional valves in VTEC systems, just a different cam lobe with which to actuate your valves. The only necessary additional parts are the solenoid, different cams, lost motion assemblies and the ECU to run the system. In general, you won't hear the system activate on a stock car. On DOHC VTEC systems, what most people hear activating is the secondaries on the variable path intake manifold. To take advantage of the system, keep the revs up, hopefully high enough so that when you shift, you won't drop out of the VTEC range. If you had a DOHC car, you'd also want to try and stay in the secondary range of the intake manifold.
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this was taken from vtec.net http://integra.vtec.net/engine/vtec.html there are several explanations and i suggest if youd on't understand valve timing that you read these.
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The principle of all the VTEC systems is the ability to change cam profiles at a given point within the rpm range. This allows a cam which will easily idle and pass emissions for everyday driving, but provides an extra kick on the top end (it can also be used to improve economy or low end torque).
This change in cam profiles is accomplished through the use of a solenoid and oil pressure. At a given rpm, oil pressure is allowed to lock together the normal cam followers and a third follower. This third follower is actuated (normally) by a higher lift and duration cam lobe and is supported be a lost motion assembly. When the followers lock together, the two valves being controlled are following the exact same profile (most DOHC motors have a slightly different profile for each valve to improve swirl and combustion).
The implementation is much more complex in the SOHC system because of the need for a very complex actuator system to get around the limitations of a single cam to actuate 4 valves per cylinder.
The actuation of the system does indeed follow a hysterisis loop and the actuation point is variable based upon load and throttle position. Without the hysterisis loop, you would have a certain point where the system would rapidly cycle in and out, causing problems.
The three stage system actually actuates only one valve at low rpm, both valves at mid rpms and then switches to a high lift lobe on the top end. Sounds complex, but the implementation is actually elegantly simple.
To sum up, there are no additional valves in VTEC systems, just a different cam lobe with which to actuate your valves. The only necessary additional parts are the solenoid, different cams, lost motion assemblies and the ECU to run the system. In general, you won't hear the system activate on a stock car. On DOHC VTEC systems, what most people hear activating is the secondaries on the variable path intake manifold. To take advantage of the system, keep the revs up, hopefully high enough so that when you shift, you won't drop out of the VTEC range. If you had a DOHC car, you'd also want to try and stay in the secondary range of the intake manifold.
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this was taken from vtec.net http://integra.vtec.net/engine/vtec.html there are several explanations and i suggest if youd on't understand valve timing that you read these.
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Ok, First of all who would pay 20grand for a ecnobox that has 160hp, I paid 6000 dollars for my car used at 61k miles I have had it for a year and a half and had only put 8k miles on it. I only really race it. If I wanna go somewhere I take the damn Focus. What I think is absoluty halarious is. I can beat a SI VTEC yes i said it again, with the current mods I have and I only spent a few hundred dollars doing it. I wouldnt pay 20grand for a Ecnomy car just to have it be whooped by a Hyundai.
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All you guys are seriously underestimating the B16A.
Just ask Lantra, he's been for a drive in the Del Sol. I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell, even if pigs were flying and I was shooting monkeys out of my ass, there is no way a stock Tib will beat a stock Si with equal drivers. Period.
maztur, to add to your differences between an Si and a normal EK Civic, the Si actually has a completely different suspension setup. Springs/struts between an Si and an EX are completely unswappable. It also comes with a 3" tip on the exhaust like my g/f's Del Sol VTEC did.
BTW, the Si is the only Civic that came in Electron Blue Pearl. So if you see a blue EK Civic, you can be pretty sure it's an Si.
BTW, an Si doesn't drop out of VTEC in the 1-2 shift. The RPMs drop from ~8000RPM to ~6500RPM. VTEC begins engaging at 5000RPM and is locked in at 5500RPM.
And yes, any B16A equipped car is as slow as my 92hp Accent until it hits VTEC in first gear <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.
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Just ask Lantra, he's been for a drive in the Del Sol. I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell, even if pigs were flying and I was shooting monkeys out of my ass, there is no way a stock Tib will beat a stock Si with equal drivers. Period.
maztur, to add to your differences between an Si and a normal EK Civic, the Si actually has a completely different suspension setup. Springs/struts between an Si and an EX are completely unswappable. It also comes with a 3" tip on the exhaust like my g/f's Del Sol VTEC did.
BTW, the Si is the only Civic that came in Electron Blue Pearl. So if you see a blue EK Civic, you can be pretty sure it's an Si.
BTW, an Si doesn't drop out of VTEC in the 1-2 shift. The RPMs drop from ~8000RPM to ~6500RPM. VTEC begins engaging at 5000RPM and is locked in at 5500RPM.
And yes, any B16A equipped car is as slow as my 92hp Accent until it hits VTEC in first gear <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.
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Now thats one hell of a fun car. I agree with you totally, There is no way in hell a Stock Hyundai will whoop a Stock SI, or a vtec del sol for that matter, Thats why I said, Hyundai's are good cars, But, there are cars that are quicker, Mod you Tiburon and Elantra, or accent or sonota then anything is possible. I'm very confident my car will beat his del sol with the current mods we have now, But damn, It will be one hell of a race!
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Why is it that as soon as someone here beats a Honda that everyone thinks we are bashing the hell out of them? It was a simple fvcking question and then all the insecure littl fvcking Honduh guys come over here to defend their little cars. Maybe you feel a need to do this because you realize that your cars are realy not all that. I nor has any one else on this board claimed that Hyundais are the the best cars on the market. Atleast not saying it and being serious. Also on that note neither are Hondas. But for your info there are several of the members here that can woop up on several Hondas and although I am no longer one of them right now(seing I no longer have the Tib and have just gotten my new project car) When I am done I will gladly race any of your street legal Hondas. Then afterwards you can tell me how it felt to get beaten by an Accent
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Invasion of the Trolls
Why is it that as soon as someone here beats a Honda that everyone thinks we are bashing the hell out of them? It was a simple fvcking question and then all the insecure littl fvcking Honduh guys come over here to defend their little cars. Maybe you feel a need to do this because you realize that your cars are realy not all that. I nor has any one else on this board claimed that Hyundais are the the best cars on the market. Atleast not saying it and being serious. Also on that note neither are Hondas. But for your info there are several of the members here that can woop up on several Hondas and although I am no longer one of them right now(seing I no longer have the Tib and have just gotten my new project car) When I am done I will gladly race any of your street legal Hondas. Then afterwards you can tell me how it felt to get beaten by an Accent
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