Why Swap out a New motor

Walker1187 · 2006-05-09

I have a 2003 accent gs with the 1.6 DOHC and i only have 50,000 miles on the engine which is a good break-in point. The engine has plenty of power for the weight and some of the fast four cylinders in the world are 1.6's. Yes they don't make alot of bolt-on products for it. But some of the best looking cars are all custom. So what is all the b*tching about. Do you just want to be another dime in the bank or a coin in the Museum think about that. That is what makes tuning out cars worth it to do what other plp didn't.

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Tugger5000

· #2 · May 10, 2006

I've often wondered the same thing myself...

Brand new car, plenty of warranty and the decision is made to drop another engine in... :??:

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WytchDctr

· #3 · May 10, 2006

A)Most people that own hyundais dont have huge bank accounts

B)Due to the above fact the beta having a better aftermarket makes it alot cheaper to make fast

C)Those fast 1.6s have better flowing head designs, variable lift, and all sorts off good tech that the hyundai 1.6 doesn't have... so putting in an already more powerful motor that has more displacment and more potential in general. Isn't a bad idea.

D)The alpha trans sucks monkey arse. I know, I owned one. (Not that the beta trans is gold, they are simular but they are built a litttllee better). Swaping in the beta trans to a 1.6, eh you can I guess.

If you want to build the 1.6 go for it, but before you have room to talk crap on those who did swap. Make your 1.6 outperform them, THEN come back and talk crap.

With the warrenty thing. Anything that would make a 1.6 go fast is gonna kill that warrenty in a heartbeat. I like what Corky Bell has to say about that. Most cars are engineered to work well until past warrenty time. So you are waiting around 100k miles tearing up your suspension etc on the off chance something that would cost less than 300 dollars is going to break. Instead of making the car worth driving when everything else is still working at 100%. Yeah crap happens and some people loose an engine at 35k... how offten does that happen anymore? Then if you swapped you have another motor with less than 50k sitting waiting to go back in 8D

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GregsterGSi

· #4 · May 10, 2006

Its a pretty well balenced car actually it just suffers from normal economy car items... Power and braking come to mind. The Accent has good power but its a momentum meaning on a track you wouldnt want to use the brakes alot in some areas but be on them fully in others.

Most items Eg brakes, handing can be upgraded. Personally my Accent is not my primary car to go to the track with but these days I enjoy driving it more only because its more of a challenge and alot more forgiving.

Also please dont say tuning... it makes me crazy

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GregsterGSi

· #5 · May 10, 2006

Originally posted by WytchDctr
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A)Most people that own hyundais dont have huge bank accounts

B)Due to the above fact the beta having a better aftermarket makes it alot cheaper to make fast

C)Those fast 1.6s have better flowing head designs, variable lift, and all sorts off good tech that the hyundai 1.6 doesn't have... so putting in an already more powerful motor that has more displacment and more potential in general. Isn't a bad idea.

D)The alpha trans sucks monkey arse. I know, I owned one. (Not that the beta trans is gold, they are simular but they are built a litttllee better). Swaping in the beta trans to a 1.6, eh you can I guess.

If you want to build the 1.6 go for it, but before you have room to talk crap on those who did swap. Make your 1.6 outperform them, THEN come back and talk crap.

With the warrenty thing. Anything that would make a 1.6 go fast is gonna kill that warrenty in a heartbeat. I like what Corky Bell has to say about that. Most cars are engineered to work well until past warrenty time. So you are waiting around 100k miles tearing up your suspension etc on the off chance something that would cost less than 300 dollars is going to break. Instead of making the car worth driving when everything else is still working at 100%. Yeah crap happens and some people loose an engine at 35k... how offten does that happen anymore? Then if you swapped you have another motor with less than 50k sitting waiting to go back in 8D
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Has anyone bothered to port out a 1.6 head? I think the gains would be rather good considering its some what high in compression.

I tranny has its issues mainly due to the shitty feeling of the shifter and bushings. I changed my fluid to ATF and got a short shifter. Its pretty decent, just dont rush the thing and youll be fine. Finesse and smoothness is more important then being rough.

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Walker1187

Discussion Starter · #6 · May 10, 2006

it's not about having the fastest accent or even the fastest four cylinder. If that was the case i would have never got an accent. don't get me wrong i like the car it has its good points. Also there is no way i would ever consider in investing 50k into this car. I want the car to look good, feel good and, drive great. I had a choice of a old honda or a new hyundai i took the more difficult route because i enjoy a challenge. hope there is nothing wrong with that. And your right most hyundai owners are rich, but how many rich plp would be on a forum arguing over cheap performance cars
Life isn't simple why live it in such a simple thought

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fintile

· #7 · May 10, 2006

OR...you could swap AFTER your 1.6 blows out...heh heh.

That is a good point though. All of us with the 1.6 are pretty limited. There is barely ANY aftermarket parts sold. hell they don't even make Altezza tail lights!! (not that i care, but they makes them for most EVERYTHING). The popularitys of the Accent/Verrna in OZ should trigger something in the heads of parts makers to start making **** for it. (yeah i know, they make sick body kits and parts there but not in the states)

It's fully understandable why anyone with a 1.6 would swap out for a 2.0. They make numerouse amounts of parts for it...it's all a matter of what you want to do and how much you have to spend.

If you have some money and plenty of patince then try being origanal and work on the 1.6 and see what you can get out of it.

If you just want to go FAST right NOW...well swap your engine and tune the Beta, you'll get more power.

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WytchDctr

· #8 · May 10, 2006

Originally posted by GregsterGSi
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Originally posted by WytchDctr
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A)Most people that own hyundais dont have huge bank accounts

B)Due to the above fact the beta having a better aftermarket makes it alot cheaper to make fast

C)Those fast 1.6s have better flowing head designs, variable lift, and all sorts off good tech that the hyundai 1.6 doesn't have... so putting in an already more powerful motor that has more displacment and more potential in general. Isn't a bad idea.

D)The alpha trans sucks monkey arse. I know, I owned one. (Not that the beta trans is gold, they are simular but they are built a litttllee better). Swaping in the beta trans to a 1.6, eh you can I guess.

If you want to build the 1.6 go for it, but before you have room to talk crap on those who did swap. Make your 1.6 outperform them, THEN come back and talk crap.

With the warrenty thing. Anything that would make a 1.6 go fast is gonna kill that warrenty in a heartbeat. I like what Corky Bell has to say about that. Most cars are engineered to work well until past warrenty time. So you are waiting around 100k miles tearing up your suspension etc on the off chance something that would cost less than 300 dollars is going to break. Instead of making the car worth driving when everything else is still working at 100%. Yeah crap happens and some people loose an engine at 35k... how offten does that happen anymore? Then if you swapped you have another motor with less than 50k sitting waiting to go back in 8D
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Has anyone bothered to port out a 1.6 head? I think the gains would be rather good considering its some what high in compression.

I tranny has its issues mainly due to the shitty feeling of the shifter and bushings. I changed my fluid to ATF and got a short shifter. Its pretty decent, just dont rush the thing and youll be fine. Finesse and smoothness is more important then being rough.
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its actually an issue with the 1.6 and 2.0. Hyundai uses semipent roof designs that dont allow for much porting our you will be into the water jackets.

If you drive an alpha trans hard for anything near 30k miles you will start to get random grinding, crunching, and sometimes they just wont go into gear. Mine didnt do that last thing I know of two others that did. Ive been around 4 of them. I owned one, ryan thats here on hp, and then two of my other freinds had them. Comparing the alpha trans and the beta... beta is better. :ermm:

You put ATF in it? Do you think they will cover the trans if you blow something? It calls for 75w90 :|

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Walker1187

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 10, 2006

fintile, i think that is a great idea switching it after it blows up and with all the ideas i have for it it probally will. But i think i will still do the work myself. Hell who knows maybe i will come up with something similiar to the SR twin turbo. Can't wait there is no direction but foreward the accent is a play toy in my mind (a mario cart racer) you start something you finish it then you start something else improve on your previous mistakes
Right or Wrong?

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TAK82

· #10 · May 10, 2006

in other words, the beta is a motor better recognized b the performance engineered parts community,

it's a refined and tried and tested hyundai engine that has been reliable and has been improved throughout the years in many hyundai vehicles.
there are many possibilitie's for the beta
examples
1:A variety of turbocharger kit's from different manufacterers
2:Supercharger kits
3:Quad throttle bodies
4:high comp pistons and rods
5:4-2-1 header
6:4-1 headers
7

ouble charger system being developed by alpine developments

the 1.6L alpha is still green in the lineup..introduced in 2001
beta take's back to the mid 90's

also..smaller engine's with smaller displacement make smaller gain's with bolt on's
unlike for example a small displacement motor like a Honda VTEC B16A which is engineered with performance in mind..

if i did the beta swap myself in which i could've have..i'd only be spending $400 on parts including the engine and gotten a 30 horsepower upgrade as well as a healthy boost of torque from the beta

you could spend $400 on the 1.6L..likewise..Chip upgrade or a custom exhaust or headers but the gain's would still be minimal...heck..even if you got the whole I/H/E treatment, you'll probably end up with only 6 or 8 horsepower

in short..the bolt on's to the 1.6L are somewhat of a waste of money.
sorry but it's the truth.

besides..turbocharger kit's for the 1.6l are more pricey than the beta tubo kits
and "02slpr" want's a grand or 2 for a homebrew root's supercharger kit that still couldn't smoke a beta accent..."No Dissing..just fact"

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fintile

· #11 · May 10, 2006

Originally posted by Walker1187
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it's not about having the fastest accent or even the fastest four cylinder. If that was the case i would have never got an accent. don't get me wrong i like the car it has its good points. Also there is no way i would ever consider in investing 50k into this car. I want the car to look good, feel good and, drive great. I had a choice of a old honda or a new hyundai i took the more difficult route because i enjoy a challenge. hope there is nothing wrong with that. And your right most hyundai owners are rich, but how many rich plp would be on a forum arguing over cheap performance cars
Life isn't simple why live it in such a simple thought
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I also wanted to add to this as well. I know somebody that all he cares about is street racing( uggghh). He had a 95 Eclipse. LOL the car was so slow (my stock Accent beat him off the line and up the hill) and riced out it was sad. I had my 1970 Mustang at the time and mocked him horrendousely for it. Well now we swaped. He now owns a 2006 Acura rsx type S and well...I have my Accent. Well when he found out i was trying to tune my car he made the comment :" Why would you "HOOK UP"<----(hate that phrase) are that slow. I learned from my Eclipse. Why doesn't he trade it in for a fater car?"

Well my response was this: " I didn't choose to have this car but you know what it's MY car and I don't car about how fast it ISN'T now but how much faster i can make it."

So what if all i get out of is is 14-15 sec. 1/4 mile times. It's all so I can say that..."I did this to my car, I made it what it is now."

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Walker1187

Discussion Starter · #12 · May 10, 2006

Well thanks guys I think i have heard all i need to know about my swap question. Although it seems i have pissed off a couple of plp in my search. All of your comments were helpful and it seems using debate methods works better than just asking boring ass questions. I like the idea of having a good backup motor on hand. Once again thanks and please help me find some **** good shocks.8D

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187sks

· #13 · May 10, 2006

As stated there are lots of reasons to Beta swap. The only mod with better dollar per hp ratio would be nitrous (unless you fab your own turbo system). It can be done EASILY for $800. The Beta has aftermarket support like the Alpha never will. The Beta swap is easy and can be done over a weekend if you're lucky, skilled, and prepared. The highest hp Alpha I can think of right now is T-Wing's 1.6l LC2 in Australia at 244whp turboed (although there may be higher powered models). That's more than enough for the majority of people but the Beta 2.0 can easily go way above that and the parts to do it are way cheaper.

The only reason that our LC2 isn't Beta swapped is because my wife drives it every day and she would rather I put the money into stuff like big chrome wheels, audio, and body mods. That's not the way I would do it for myself but it makes her happy so that's what's done to the car.

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