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Why would you go turbo? I had a friend that builds muscle cars and he is doing everything to talk me out of going turbo. He suggested NOS to me.
Wont the turbo burn out your engine fast?
I have a 2000 Tib and I want to have some fun.
I only have 28K milage so I have a long way for warranty.
Do you know anyone who has used turbo for any given length of time. Seeing the Tib revs at such a high RPM during everyday crusing speeds. The turbo will be kicking in all the time. I'm also going on the specs for the Alpine Kit.
I think it kicks in at 2500 rpm. Man you do more than that just crusing down the highway. It's like 3500 rpm for Highway crusing speed. You would be pumping all that presure in your engine all the time. Talk about wear and tear on the engine.
I'm not planning on racing 'Well".
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Personally I think NOS is taking the pvssy way out. S/c's and Turbo's are much more effective, ask Random and 2klowandshowtibby. Im also installing alpine turbo. There is no lag on that system that I know of because it is such a small turbo * td04 *. If you use sythetic oil and maintain the turbo properly then it will be fine, same with the motor, Turbo is probably the biggest sorce from where you can extract the engines power. If your not racing, then get your naws or get a SC. Turbo is more for the serious racers.


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i rather have a turbo then fill up a NOS can every now and then......
and plus, wat are u gonna say when people ask you wat ur pushin in the car... 115whp WITHOUT NOS <img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0> i rather hook up a car and then go turbo, its better in the long run anyway drop the turbo, go synthetic, mantain the motor, and nothing else to worry about..... plus turbo sounds better<img src=/images/forums/snitz/wink.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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Nitrous is fine for low power application... dry shot. But anything bigger / wet and you will need to spend almost as much money building the engine up.. pistons, headwork, cam, headers, exhaust.

The tib relatively does not rev that high compaired to other 4 cyl and as long as your not "on it" you should see very little boost.

If you don't abuse a well tuned turbo engine it should last you almost as long as a stock engine. But it's always hard not to abuse it and the competition a little<img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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you have to remember that the turbo spools up from the exhaust and vacuum! The exhaust runs the speed of the turbo and the vacuum helps determine how much boost your waste gate allows!

Now if you drive the car under normal conditions meaning that you don't have your foot in it's butt all the time the turbo is an ON DEMAND ONLY! Meaning that you keep the revs doun the turbo pushes very minimal boost! This low boost preasure does not harm your engine and when you learn to drive with the turbo on your car you will learn how to drive it and almost never push boost at all!

The NOS on the other hand is a power shocker Remember the turbo is how much you want when you want it! The NOS is 55hp or more every time you use it! This is more hard on the engine than turbos or superchargers!
The boost is a gradual increase the NOS isn't!

I'm not saying don't run NOS because I am very soon but I also am installing the turbo! I will have both sides to your story!

Another good thing is that when you need the power of the turbo it is ther for you! Say you need just that much more power to get into trafic! It will be ther giving you the confidence you need! The NOS on the other hand you will not be useing to do such things I HOPE!

But all in all you will be very happy with a turbo set up! It will not be as hard on the car as you may be thinking! You will enjoy many many miles from your car trouble free! as you run the recomended boost presure with your kit and don't get HP CRAZY!


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I was going the NOS route, a fogger system with a progressive controller. Independant fuel system, with two 15lb bottles and not on a stock engine. I have always liked NOS, I usally like to stick with the stock ECM, it has certain functions I like, like a speedometer, cruise control and other features. You don't have worry about tuning a new engine management system and dyno time with nitrous. There is a lot of nitrous and fuel flow tuning, but that is off the vehicle. Nitrous will produce more torque than a turbo for the same given horsepower. Nitrous isn't cheating or the easy way o to get power its harder to use than installing a turbo in high horsepower applications.


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Edited by - HRD_Tiburon on 02/02/2002 3:04:33 PM
 

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I never do understand why people say NOS is "the pvssy way out" or "the cheaters way out"/ Speed is speed and a win is a win when it comes to racing. If nos is what it takes to achieve your best 1/4 mile times than that is what it takes.



There are many advantages and disadvantages to each and you will have to decide what is best for you.




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my one sentence answer:

Turbo's are more upgradable and can provide more power in the future, if you want to turn up the boost in the future you can.


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Fvck both of them.. run pure O2 and use a feul pump from a dragster to keep the oxgen-feul ratio right <img src=/images/forums/snitz/smile.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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A fuel pump from a Top Fuel Dragster flows 70 gallons per minute and pure oxygen is very dangerous in a engine and illegal to transport in vehicle. The use of pure oxygen in a engine results in a uncontrolled burn in the cylinder, that why nitrous contains nitrogen, to control the burn.


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Edited by - HRD_Tiburon on 02/02/2002 5:22:49 PM
 

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I agree with AUTOBOT go with what is best for you. I don't understand "the pvssy way out thing or why it would be considered cheating by some people... one day I'd like to see a reasonable explanation for that. Lets just look at what you have:
A) Nitrous Oxide Kits, this will give a 15 second boost of 55 hp, on demand only, must be refilled every once in a while, you don't have to replace any stock internals, If used <b>properly</b> it will not hurt your engine (but most people will tell you differently), and it is very affordable. (If you think $500-$700 is pricey for 55 hp don't even think about a turbo or super charger), you can install it yourself easily, and little to no tuning is required.
B) Turbos, give you at 55+ hp every time you put your foot to the floor, Boost increases as needed, you will need to upgrade your stock internals to handle the boost, not very affordable for the kit, installation, or tuning.
So what looks good to you? Listen if you go for the nitrous just try to ignore the Fast and the Furious comments and just do it. Serious racer or not if you can't afford it like most people who drive Hyundai's don't get the turbo, yes its more effective but many people that don't have the money for it go with a nitrous kit. You may hear that it will hurt your engine but I know plenty of people who have had nitrous kits for years and have had no problems, that goes the same with turbos too. But I also know a few people who installed their NOS incorrectly, held the juice down to long, and or used to large of a shot for their car and messed up the engine just like I know a few people who turned the boost up to high on their turbo or had some bad tuning done and did the same. The choice is ultimately yours... unless you have no money... then the choice is obvious.


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Turbo has endless posiblities to it. You only need to upgrade when and if you wish to run a higher amount of boost. Nos you have to keep refilling it, Turbo is just constant power all the time without having to pay the 35 dollars a bottle or however much you spend. Where it might be expensive, the turbo turns your car completly around and gives you car more power then you could ever dream of, While nitrous, only gives you a certain amount of power for a certain amount of time. Some people like power all the time and some like little shots of power. Either way, If you want to run more of both, Upgrading parts are a must.


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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/oogle.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>Uhhh okie NOS systems are a one-time only offer when it comes to power, as in only as long as the big blue bottle has laughing gas in it charged with enough given pressure to drive it past the injector rows. A turbo, you're gonna have to keep the engine going at your peak power threshold, that is the rpm band in which your motor makes its peak power to get the full benifits plan, which means a lot of heel and toe and many many nights of sore ankles and strained legs from double clutching at the same time. Driving a turbocharged vehicle is like learning to drive again, cuz you have to know what you're doing to keep the turbo spooling and mantain your concentration on other things(like trucks and the hot chick with the really short skirt looking at you hehehe)With a Supercharger you dont have to do either, and is the better choice for daily driving because it gives you a certain level of comfort in that you can retain your normal driving style and still get the full benifits. If you do go Supercharged then you'll have to think of ways to keep the internal cylinder temperatures down, like what an intercooler would do to get better results. Heat shielding behind the exhaust manifold is a good start, together with sheilding the supercharger itself, and looking for a 'charger with an integrated cooling system...good luck man!


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Here's my reason for turbo vs Nitrous, and it applies to 99% of you.

It is illegal to drive with the nitrous bottle hooked up. It's LEGAL to drive with a turbo.

So...if you only plan on using the power on the drag strip...go Nitrous.

If you want the power on the street...go Turbo.

Yes, yes yes, lots of people use nitrous on the street. But is it worth the ticket? Is it worth the hassle?

Nitrous is just as upgradeable as Turbo, there are crazy dudes in PR running 150 shots on a progressive setup. Hell, buy yourself a $299 Jacobs electroncis nitrous controler, a larger fuel pump, and some extra injectors and go crazy! It's STILL cheaper than a BASE turbo setup for maybe 10 psi.

It's all about what you want. I wanted power with no legal hassles. For me, that meant turbo. For others, they want the "budget" way...that's Nitrous.

If Nitrous is cheating...that means turbos/superchargers are cheating. Nitrous adds more oxygen to the engine...so do turbos/superchargers.

Just because you make HP the "hard" way using a turbo, doesn't mean nitrous is cheating for making power the "easy" way.

Personally speaking, I'm not a fan of Nitrous, simply because too many people use it when they shouldn't, and use it with too little knowledge of what it does, and how it does what it does.

Simply put...educate yourself on the pros and cons of Nitrous, and turbos. Then you can make an informed decision YOURSELF, not on what your friend says, or what I say...but you can do it based on what YOU SAY...and you base your decision on INFORMATION, not opinons.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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Leave it to Random to Needlessly complicate things.

Edited by - random on 02/04/2002 08:18:15 AM
 

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<img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0> i know a guy with a cavalier using 10 shots of nitrous<img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0> i raced him...... i beat him....
base model cavalier auto.....<img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>


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i know a guy with a cavalier using 10 shots of nitrous<img src=/images/forums/snitz/laugh.gif width=15 height=31 border=0> i raced him...... i beat him....base model cavalier auto.....
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that isnt very much,...<img src=/images/forums/snitz/oogle.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

if you do use nitrous
spray between 3000rpm to 6500rpm ONLY
Use a plug thats a degree colder
use the best gas that you can get (octane wise) if its 91, add a good octane booster
make sure everything is plugged in right, and your set




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Generally speaking, nitrous is a better bang for the buck than a turbocharger or supercharger setup -- UP TO a certain point. Let's be honest: if you want an additional 55 horsepower on your stock Tiburon or Elantra, the easiest, fastest and cheapest way is a nitrous kit. $550 or so, about an hour of install, some rudimentary tuning and you're done.

BUT, I did mention "some point". That point is crossed when your nitrous setup becomes progressively more expensive due to limitations either in the engine, fuel system or nitrous delivery.

Let's use the crazy Puerto Ricans for an example. There have been multiple stories of guys in PR running a 125 and 150 shot on stock 2.0L blocks. Is it possible? Sure it is, although I'm not exactly sure of the life expectancy. But at what cost? You know it's got to be a direct-port setup, which is expensive. They're also running progressive controllers, which are more expensive. A secondary fuel system for the nitrous fuel nozzles, which is more money (2nd pump, pressure regulator, fuel lines, blah blah).

Eventually it becomes a very expensive balancing act. Yeah you got another 125-150 flywheel horsepower, but at what cost? I *bet* you could do that with a turbo too, even on the stock block, but how long will either one last?

After a certain point, the nitrous gets too expensive... Especially considering all the bottle refills<img src=/images/forums/snitz/tongue.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

Turbo is much easier for me, thanks. Although I'm not precluding the use of nitrous later in life...

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Sorry everyone but I jumped off the band waggon.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>

I no longer have a Hyundai.<img src=/images/forums/snitz/moon.gif width=15 height=15 border=0> Turned the Tib in for a SAAB 9-3 SE Turbo<img src=/images/forums/snitz/thumbup.gif width=25 height=18 border=0>


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Your friend is into musle cars...and he let you buy a SAAB?<img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0><img src=/images/forums/snitz/eek.gif width=15 height=15 border=0>

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Leave it to Random to Needlessly complicate things.
 

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Well its way better than that piece of **** I had “2000 Tib”. I know you can't even compare the two.
It's like comparing a Watermelon to a raison. Yes it’s expensive. But there is a lot more safety in my Saab than in the Tib. Not to mention family room.
I had the experience “experience is used as a lack of another nice word to use” to drive the 2003 Tib.
Let me tell you that 2.7L is not all it’s cracked up to be. Don’t get me wrong I did enjoy my Tib but I grew out of it. Don’t waist your money on the 2003.
Yes it was the six sd, six cyl.



<hr width=60% noshade size=1 align=left>I am an owner of a Y2K Tiburon. As of now 01/04/02 my car is stock. As I learn I will be making mods.
 
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